Sikorsky SH-3 Sea King

[Cobra5087]

Hello, I would like to see this helicopter added to the game please. I have as of late been enjoying the Huey very much and since the Sea King has had a well storied history and somewhat dark past in Canada. Plus great use in the UK and United States. I think she would make a great addition to the DCS world. Can we get maybe a crowd funding project started to maybe get this off the ground or something. Again, I'm just getting into this community so I hope I'm not offending anyone. I just am very passionate about getting things done.

Edited January 17 by Cobra5087

[Logan54]

3 часа назад, Cobra5087 сказал:

Hello, I would like to see this helicopter added to the game please. I have as of late been enjoying the Huey very much and since the Sea King has had a well storied history and somewhat dark past in Canada. Plus great use in the UK and United States. I think she would make a great addition to the DCS world. Can we get maybe a crowd funding project started to maybe get this off the ground or something. Again, I'm just getting into this community so I hope I'm not offending anyone. I just am very passionate about getting things done.

Sea King would be good addition for South Atlantic map, also AH.1 Scout/Wasp and Lynx highly reccomended  

[PilotMi8]

7 часов назад, Cobra5087 сказал:

Hello, I would like to see this helicopter added to the game please. I have as of late been enjoying the Huey very much and since the Sea King has had a well storied history and somewhat dark past in Canada. Plus great use in the UK and United States. I think she would make a great addition to the DCS world. Can we get maybe a crowd funding project started to maybe get this off the ground or something. Again, I'm just getting into this community so I hope I'm not offending anyone. I just am very passionate about getting things done.

if we make such a module (SH-3 Sea King), the development costs will exceed the profit ((

[MAXsenna]

20 minutes ago, PilotMi8 said:

if we make such a module (SH-3 Sea King), the development costs will exceed the profit ((

Care to explain? The market isn't there? 

[John Day]

58 minutes ago, PilotMi8 said:

if we make such a module (SH-3 Sea King), the development costs will exceed the profit ((

I've got to be honest and say that I find that hard to believe. No other flyable aircraft in the game has anti-submarine capability, that feature alone (if fleshed out properly) would bring a whole new aspect of modern warfare to DCS. You also need to look at the maps you currently have and maps that are on the way, there is a Seaking for every map !! Lets take a quick look, Kola=Norwegian Seakings, South Atlantic=British Seakings, Iraq=British, US, Australian Seakings, Persian Gulf=US and Iranian Seakings, Top end Australia=Australian Seakings not to mention all the other maps where a carrier group could be used. Respectfully, I think you underestimate your audience.

[MAXsenna]

3 minutes ago, John Day said:

I've got to be honest and say that I find that hard to believe. No other flyable aircraft in the game has anti-submarine capability, that feature alone (if fleshed out properly) would bring a whole new aspect of modern warfare to DCS. You also need to look at the maps you currently have and maps that are on the way, there is a Seaking for every map !! Lets take a quick look, Kola=Norwegian Seakings, South Atlantic=British Seakings, Iraq=British, US, Australian Seakings, Persian Gulf=US and Iranian Seakings, Top end Australia=Australian Seakings not to mention all the other maps where a carrier group could be used. Respectfully, I think you underestimate your audience.

You forgot Germany if we get some water on the new map.  

[John Day]

1 minute ago, MAXsenna said:

You forgot Germany if we get some water on the new map.  

Nah, Pumas, Wessex and Lynx are what you want for the Germany map !

[MAXsenna]

Nah, Pumas, Wessex and Lynx are what you want for the Germany map !

Sure! I do have a SAR Revell model from back in the 80s though.

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[John Day]

2 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

Sure! I do have a SAR Revell model from back in the 80s though.

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Ah a fellow modeller, I'm currently building up a collection of 1/144 Wessex, I even managed to bag a really old twin set of 1/144 Lynx from Fujimi.

[PilotMi8]

10 часов назад, John Day сказал:

I've got to be honest and say that I find that hard to believe. No other flyable aircraft in the game has anti-submarine capability, that feature alone (if fleshed out properly) would bring a whole new aspect of modern warfare to DCS. You also need to look at the maps you currently have and maps that are on the way, there is a Seaking for every map !! Lets take a quick look, Kola=Norwegian Seakings, South Atlantic=British Seakings, Iraq=British, US, Australian Seakings, Persian Gulf=US and Iranian Seakings, Top end Australia=Australian Seakings not to mention all the other maps where a carrier group could be used. Respectfully, I think you underestimate your audience.

yes, it is possible to make the aspects of the game "search and destroy submarines", "search and rescue of those in distress from the water surface" interesting - of course!
But in addition to the helicopter, it is necessary to make other elements for such a game, create many new models (I don’t mean models of people or cars, ships, planes, but physical models of sea waves and the behavior of an object on the waves, the propagation and reflection of sound waves in water and many other similar things), solve a lot of technical problems... "start and finish" .
And these other elements will take 90% of the time and money from the whole game... the helicopter here is only 10%.
Gradually, the World of DCS is developing, but to develop it to such a game (with a well-thought-out interesting gameplay, which was mentioned above) as you expect (and which I would also be happy with, as a helicopter pilot) is still very far away.
This is only my opinion, this is not the opinion of ED))

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

9 hours ago, PilotMi8 said:

if we make such a module (SH-3 Sea King), the development costs will exceed the profit ((

[Cobra5087]

That's why I suggest a go fund me. If those of us who would want it and if ED puts an honest estimate to get it off the ground to develop it. We could get it modelled. Hell half the planes in this game I don't like. But I have bought the whole collection. I mean there are plenty of options. We need to have an open discussion and lay some options as to what rotor types we would like to see. The Blackhawk I would love to see. Just something for us whirlybird lovers! Oh and a redo of the Huey!

[John Day]

1 hour ago, PilotMi8 said:

yes, it is possible to make the aspects of the game "search and destroy submarines", "search and rescue of those in distress from the water surface" interesting - of course!
But in addition to the helicopter, it is necessary to make other elements for such a game, create many new models (I don’t mean models of people and technology, but physical models of sea waves and the behavior of an object on the waves, the propagation and reflection of sound waves in water and many other similar things), solve a lot of technical problems... "start and finish" .
And these other elements will take 90% of the time and money from the whole game... the helicopter here is only 10%.
Gradually, the World of DCS is developing, but to develop it to such a game (with a well-thought-out interesting gameplay, which was mentioned above) as you expect (and which I would also be happy with, as a helicopter pilot) is still very far away.
This is only my opinion, this is not the opinion of ED))

You make a fair point and thank you for explaining things a little deeper. Its is a shame that the technical aspects of ASW are a long way off, but should they get developed later on down the line, I am sure a Seaking would sell well, perhaps not as well as an SH-60, but nevertheless, still a solid module......... ooh, I've just had a thought, P-3 Orion, now that would be an interesting module !

[bies]

PilotMi8 is right, DCS would need ASW enviroment first, something like "Sea Power" or "Sonalyst's Dangerous Waters", to make ASW complex and engaging. And to develop a few ASW platforms to divide the cost and increse the profit like SH-3 Sea King, S-3 Viking, Ka-25/27, IL-38. Someone with naval background would need to step in and cooperate with ED.

[PilotMi8]

1 час назад, Cobra5087 сказал:

_The Blackhawk I would love to see. Just something for us whirlybird lovers! Oh and a redo of the Huey!

God willing, we will do it and redo it!

[cfrag]

11 hours ago, PilotMi8 said:

the development costs will exceed the profit

This breaks my heart, as "Helicopter 66" is a warm, fuzzy memory of my childhood, when I sat in front of the TV, watching that helicopter retrieving the "Moon Astronauts". And seeing that you name is "PilotMi8" makes my suspicion peak - you are just jealous, afraid that the Sea King will steal the Hip's thunder!!!!!!!one 

Indeed, creating the environment for a sensible deployment of the Sea King will require some (welcome, I'm sure) fleshing out of the naval realm in DCS: wind, waves, naval units and behavior, submarine AI, miscellaneous objects like pilots in floating devices (hey, how about an Apollo capsule as cargo???) etc. Seeing that Fat Amy also requires a complete re-spec of the DCS environs with modern units didn't bother EA, this can be done. But yeah, the Sea King's time period is long gone, and customers from that period are literally dying out, so I get the lower ROI projections on such a product. A pity, really. In case I didn't mention it, I'd LOVE to see the Sea King.

<sadly stares across the kitchen floor, where the sun will rise no more...>  

Edited January 18 by cfrag

[Volator]

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DCS would need ASW enviroment first

 

I don't know... what about this "sandbox" thing that DCS is supposed to be, where you can do whatever you want (except enjoying realistic, historical scenarios due to missing assets and maps ) I mean, there are four official trainers now, there is the Huey, there is the Hip, and all of them basically only offer you to fly around a little and fire a few shots. Sea King and Sea Lynx would offer the very same.

I think I would love to fly my ass off in a Sea Lynx (or, a little less, in a Sea King) off a frigate in bad weather, simulate some VERTREP, some VIP transport, SAR, and shoot the door gun every now and then. Sure, ASW would be cool, but mostly for the operator I guess, not for the pilot, so I think naval helicopters already have a spot in DCS even without ASW.

[MAXsenna]

2 hours ago, Volator said:

I think I would love to fly my ass off in a Sea Lynx (or, a little less, in a Sea King) off a frigate in bad weather, simulate some VERTREP, some VIP transport, SAR, and shoot the door gun every now and then. Sure, ASW would be cool, but mostly for the operator I guess, not for the pilot, so I think naval helicopters already have a spot in DCS even without ASW.

Give us! The ASW stuff can be added later when it's more fleshed out in the core. And yeah, give me that Lynx! 

[Cobra5087]

Well, yes there is room for the Sea King as players envision. Some have mentioned a full ASW build or different roles for the birds. We do have the south Atlantic map as well as the oh I can't think of it now, the one with Norway and Russia. As well based that ED has mentioned that a the majority of their modules are based on the past. I can see the Sea King fitting in. Anyways my brains wracked from arguing, but if there is a developer out there willing to come to the table and work out their model to add to the game that would be terrific. It is a bird that has served in so many countries. The reason I am found of it number one, The Final Countdown movie and countless other movies of the 70's and 80's I remember it in. Plus too it has played a huge role in Maritime operations hear in Canada. Hell we kept them flying and sadly lost quite a few crews because they were way past their shelf date and they were literally falling out of the sky. I wish I could throw money at whom ever and say get it done. But I'm like most of us.I'm just enjoying what items we can afford in life. But if it ever does come to life. Make sure above all else. The number one thing. That the wipers actually function and wipe the rain away! 

[MAXsenna]

19 hours ago, Cobra5087 said:

as the oh I can't think of it now, the one with Norway and Russia

Coke country. Lots of snow.

[Ramius007]

I would start with improving current SH-3 and SH-60 models, there are nice mods lying around that provide this, and as mentioned, we need more than just new DCS naval helicopter, like waves and ships moving in ALL directions on water, we need ship-heli comms simulated, then a bit more naval weapons, more ships, and with all thist, we may start thinknig about adding playable module