Vekkinho Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 When it comes to nose cone and we look at F-22 and F-35, I believe something like that can be expected with PAK-FA but do not think of this similarity as a reverse engineering or a copy of US made stealth fighters Raptor and Lightning. Bear in mind that similar shape was also present with Su-32/34 long before any public F-22 presentation! ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Actually, no ... there is no similarity in those shapes. If you understand the premise of the F-22's stealth you'll see how vastly different they are, and you'll wonder a bit about the F-35's intakes maybe. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Vekkinho Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Is there a test firing range in Zukovsky actually? Or can they only do "dry" tests like simulated missile launches? Not that I know, it's too close to Moscow so all the testing done there at the moment and in the past was usually restricted to testing flight and taxi capabilities of new aircraft. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vekkinho Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Actually, no ... there is no similarity in those shapes. If you understand the premise of the F-22's stealth you'll see how vastly different they are, and you'll wonder a bit about the F-35's intakes maybe. Can you elaborate a bit deeper, please. What's the catch? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 The 3rd generation of stealth depends on all edges being aligned to the same angles. Take a look of a front and plan view of the F-22 for example. Match each fin edge (wings, elevators, rudders) as well as the intake edge angles. You'll see they match front and back. Can you elaborate a bit deeper, please. What's the catch? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Wilde Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Thx Vekkinho for clearing that up. So this means the Su-47 is not really testing missile launches but something else about the weapon bay. If at all. The bay could as well be on it from a former test.
Vekkinho Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 So if I look at this pic: I'll note that leading edge of a main wing is parallel to LE of a elevon, same with trailing parts. I can see the same thing happening with engine intakes and verticals... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vekkinho Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Thx Vekkinho for clearing that up. So this means the Su-47 is not really testing missile launches but something else about the weapon bay. If at all. The bay could as well be on it from a former test. Yes, there's no indicaton of actual missile launches only because you see bay open. I'd say they're testing drag and RCS increase with open bay doors! Or perhaps performance of hydraulics that actuate these doors in airborne conditions! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 But also note the forward profile of the intakes - the part which is round, vs. the Raptors. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
zakobi Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 It will ofcourse use plasma stealth :music_whistling:
topol-m Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 On the russian forums they have some new info about the first flight of PAK-FA. It seem it is planned for the end of December - the beginning of January. :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Namenlos Ein Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 (edited) http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=805200&postcount=194 Pictures of an aircraft is unclassified, maybe first of them will be published soon. http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=805299&postcount=199 First taxi test performed. Edited December 24, 2009 by Namenlos Ein
sniffer Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 Good news! Can't wait to see him :) Thanks for info... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
topol-m Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 High Definition needed, not some 300x400 black and white :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Pilotasso Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 My bet stands that it will look somewhat familiar. Lets see. .
Boberro Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 But no pic :(. Can't wait to see this baby, Comrades faster :P Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
Namenlos Ein Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 http://lenta.ru/news/2009/12/24/pakfa/ ПАК ФА будет иметь 16 точек подвески, включая восемь, расположенных внутри фюзеляжа. 16 hardpoints in total, 8 of them internal. Photo of the real T-50: http://bronia.org/stk/foto/t50_12.jpg (just kidding)
topol-m Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 Photo of the real T-50: http://bronia.org/stk/foto/t50_12.jpg (just kidding) OMG you almost got me a hard attack :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
zakobi Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 Am i the only one who sense that the PAK-Fa is more "accepted" than the F-22?
topol-m Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 Am i the only one who sense that the PAK-Fa is more "accepted" than the F-22? Well it`s too soon to talk about it as not much is known but it should be able to do the same thing F-22 does, but it will cost much less. What`s not to like! :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 ^^^^ Keep dreaming. You get what you pay for. If it costs much less, it does much less :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Lucas_From_Hell Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 GGTharos, keep in mind that the prices aren't the same for the USA and Russian aviation industries. I wouldn't be surprised if they deliver a plane with similar (or even greater) capabilities than its Western counterpart, and costing less. It's the good ol' cost/benefit ratio, and works for aviation too.
GGTharos Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 So you believe in magic? Prices might not be the same, but the Russian economy is also much smaller, and proportionally a PAK-FA should be just expensive for Russia as an F-22 was for the US if they do the same stuff. I'd say most expensive still because they probably need to either import some components (which I find doubtful, I don't think they would do this) or get their own facilities up to snuff in terms of electronics reliability. GGTharos, keep in mind that the prices aren't the same for the USA and Russian aviation industries. I wouldn't be surprised if they deliver a plane with similar (or even greater) capabilities than its Western counterpart, and costing less. It's the good ol' cost/benefit ratio, and works for aviation too. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Pilotasso Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 GGTharos, keep in mind that the prices aren't the same for the USA and Russian aviation industries. I wouldn't be surprised if they deliver a plane with similar (or even greater) capabilities than its Western counterpart, and costing less. It's the good ol' cost/benefit ratio, and works for aviation too. Judging for the price Russia sold those Mig-29K to india and the projected price for Su-35 I would say In that aspect Russia is catching up pretty quick on western prices. ;) .
topol-m Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 ^^^^ Keep dreaming. You get what you pay for. If it costs much less, it does much less :) Well it might not have the airs and graces F-22 has but when it comes to results I don`t think there will be much difference. It even might have some advantages over F-22 - like payload, range, etc., until we see some official data though I`m not making assumptions. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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