The T-50 (PAK-FA) Thread

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Is the flight going to be closed or the public will be able to watch the 'show'?

 

If second's true, maybe I can take the train and see if I get something :D

[jerom1992]

Is the flight going to be closed or the public will be able to watch the 'show'?

 

If second's true, maybe I can take the train and see if I get something :D

 

Pics, pics, pics!!!

[Pilotasso]

Its friday. Looks like Sukhoi failed yet again to deliver on their promises...

[topol-m]

I get it you like to accuse them in various failures :laugh: , but that statement: "The first flight of perspective fighter will take place in the near future, has informed on January, 18th to agency "Interfax-AVN" source in Komsomolske-on-cupid. As he said, date of the first flight of fighter of the fifth generation will be named this week, flight will take place in January." doesn`t sound very official isn`t it? What we expect and hope is another thing. As we all know military are never to be trusted they kind of like to lie. So to speak it will fly when it`s ready to fly and we will know the exact date if they decide to inform us.

[sniffer]

Its friday. Looks like Sukhoi failed yet again to deliver on their promises...

Why? What was their promise?

[Shaman]

Well let's just hope their QA/BETATEST team won't release it with RWR bug :music_whistling:

[Pilotasso]

Why? What was their promise?

 

The announcement for first flight date.

[Boberro]

I won't be suprised anyway if they don't post date today or tomorrow. Sukhoi many times has delayed its "release" time.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Its friday. Looks like Sukhoi failed yet again to deliver on their promises...

Same as Lockheed Martin F-35. BTW, is Portugal buying any F-35's? It would really be good, because the F-35 factory is relatively close to me. You know, jobs ....

[Pilotasso]

Well Lockheed has accomplished many (though not all) goals on date and have planes flying already.

 

In 10 years the F-16 EPAF consortion is likely to be over, the maintenace economy advantage for current M5, M6 and M7 tapes will be no more, so "something" will have to be donne.

 

 

The options on the table are: Buy a new plane or upgrade the F-16 to a level common to other countries still operating them.

 

So we either upgrade the F-16's to a similar standard of other countries like USA or even UAE or buy a new plane deciding between probably F-35 and Gripen: there are realy no other candidates (2 engines exclude other options).

 

And that purchase will be donne via financial engeneering because we cant afford any of these by directly shelling out the cash.

 

The F-35 has no official suport, only heavy lobying on the military. They want it BAD.

 

If we decide to go for F-35 deliveries wont start before 2025.

Edited January 22, 2010 by Pilotasso

[*Rage*]

They want it BAD.

 

 

Why?

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Well Lockheed has accomplished many (though not all) goals on date and have planes flying already.

He, he, he ... When are you going to learn Pilotasso. So F-35 is late too! Hmm... Isn't it that most every complex project is somewhat delayed and late?

 

So, you don't have money for F-35? That's fine ... F-16 upgrades will work for me too. Just don't be late Pilotasso.

[sniffer]

Pilotasso... This week didn't end yet :)

[Lucas_From_Hell]

When you are you guys going to learn it?

 

As in any good simulation forum and website, we don't work with specific dates, but with a single constant:

"TWO WEEKS." :D

 

I wouldn't demand anything. It's good to know they're actually releasing news about it. They could just let us speculating here, so anything is better than nothing.

 

Meanwhile, just a little off-topic (yet somewhat related): how does the Su-47 perform in terms of RCS? I was just curious because, well, it looks too pretty to be stealth (it actually looks like an airplane, so to speak :music_whistling:) Anyone knows if it is stealth or at least has a very reduced RCS?

[Pilotasso]

Why?

 

Simple:

Its the perfect plane for our national requirements. Its stealth, therefore more survivable, and fewer planes can be purchased, and only 1 engine for 40000 class thrust= less maintenance expenditure, less base personel, and less pilots to train (its expensive believe me), plus it has huge range advantage over other types wich allows it to fly anywhere over land or our large sea boundaries. PoAF has much more tradition on AG combat, and the F-35 suite is idealy fit for this, and it can double as a naval fighter as well with options for strong AA capability if we ever need it.

 

 

Only down is realy the initial aquisition price. But the grippen offers much less for only slighly smaller price tag. (my bro for example dislikes it)

 

Almost every AF officer has F-35 posters behind their desks or at their quarters. Some of high brass made public coments mentioning the 35.

 

He, he, he ... When are you going to learn Pilotasso. So F-35 is late too! Hmm... Isn't it that most every complex project is somewhat delayed and late?

 

So, you don't have money for F-35? That's fine ... F-16 upgrades will work for me too. Just don't be late Pilotasso.

 

Haj...there is simply no comparison, while the west has delays and cost overruns, the entire russian aerospace has either vapourware, or constant delays and cancelations of modifications of the same aircraft for 30 years now.

Edited January 22, 2010 by Pilotasso

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Haj...there is simply no comparison, while the west has delays and cost overruns, the entire russian aerospace has either vapourware, or constant delays and cancelations of modifications of the same aircraft for 30 years now.

You haven't learned yet. All right, so let us try again. F-35 is late, F-22 was delayed several times. Now, when T-50 is late, that's not a comparison?

 

Since Portugal don't have any money for new F-35's, just get your F-16 upgraded, and rest assured that our F-22's will take care of you if needed. Calm down ...

 

When it comes to "Russian aerospace vapourware" if Portugal would have money, you could buy a seat in a Russian real-ware space vehicle and go to space. It is a question of prestige! Does Portugal have any cosmonauts?

[Pilotasso]

No astronauts simply for lack of political will. It has been considered many times, including our own space program.

 

But man, comparing a 130 million habitants country with another economicaly and industrialy backwards of just 10 million ...lol

Edited January 22, 2010 by Pilotasso

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

No astronauts simply for lack of political will. It has been considered many times, including our own space program.

I know, Serbs, just like Portuguese, wanted to have a space program too. But lack of political will .... Nobody in Portugal wealthy and adventures enough to try either, ha?

[Pilotasso]

We got some adventurers embarking on Virgins space ship-X crazyness, but only 60 miles high pfff.

 

Portugal has no industrial dimention to make Space programs profitable so we just design stuff for ESA's spacecraft and other aerospace companies in the military branch over Europe.

 

Tax payers dont like politicians (who are populist) to spend money on other things than inproving our quality of lives, wich doesnt happen anyway...lol

 

 

...and no, nothingness and discredit of russias military aerospace can ever compare even to delays on the west, wich come partialy due to cuts because there is realy no motivation from the "other side" anyway.

Edited January 22, 2010 by Pilotasso

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

But man, comparing a 130 million habitants country with another economicaly and industrialy backwards of just 10 million ...lol

Now you are finally learning. Portugal is small. get your F-16's upgraded and be part of NATO. That's good enough for you.

 

Russia has its own problems, big problems and yes T-50 is late. However, being late is not unusual in this business.

[Pilotasso]

Who compared Portugal with russia was you. I fail to see why that has anything to do with F-35's delays or lack of anything to show about PAK FA

[pappavis]

the F-35 factory is relatively close to me. You know, jobs ....

 

eerm, excuse me? According to Google Maps, Serbia isnt really neighbouring China in any way, maybe after 2012 but not just yet.

 

FYI the F-35 is designed by Boeing in the USA. MADE in CHINA. Assembled in the USA. :megalol:

 

Sukhoi PAK-FA designed in Russia, built in Inida & Russia :D

[Lucas_From_Hell]

"Location: Longview, Texas"

 

So, Texas isn't neighouring China, not Serbia :D

[GGTharos]

Which components are made in China?

 

FYI the F-35 is designed by Boeing in the USA. MADE in CHINA. Assembled in the USA. :megalol:

[Esac_mirmidon]

NIKE pilots shoes XDD