The T-50 (PAK-FA) Thread

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Who compared Portugal with russia was you.

Yes, I did it, and there is a reason why I did it. In this context, Portugal is relevant for this discussion. Here's the question for you. Is Portugal involved with Airbus industry in any way and more specifically involved with A-400M?

 

F-35 was just an example that T-50 is not the only project that is late and delayed and probably over budget too.

[Pilotasso]

About he A-400M yes, we have parts of the plane of our design, and numerous other programs and airframe building but who cares?

 

This is about PAK FA, the countries goals and industries dont even compare. Russias larger but infra structures are totaly obsolete, ours high tech, actualy has regular production, but its smaller, and with the exception of the F-16 modifications we have no aspirations in the fighter market.

[zakobi]

What does people look most forward to see?

Russia's single-seat or India's tandem? personally I'm mostly looking forward to India's... ;)

[Pilotasso]

So do I. Though we will have to wait probably much longer.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

About he A-400M yes, we have parts of the plane of our design, and numerous other programs and airframe building but who cares?

 

This is about PAK FA, the countries goals and industries dont even compare. Russias larger but infra structures are totaly obsolete, ours high tech, actualy has regular production, but its smaller, and with the exception of the F-16 modifications we have no aspirations in the fighter market.

How late has A-400M been, eh? That is as much about T-50 as it can be in this discussion.

 

You have double standards Pilotasso. Your "high tech" facilities involved with A-400M are part of the project that has been delayed and dragged for years if not a decade.

 

Yet you are quick to condemn Sukhoi for their delays.

 

Cold war is over Pilotasso. Military industrial complex is looking for enemies all the time. Because they need them to sustain their Cold War production levels and profits.

 

But, you and me, on this forum, should be talking and celebrating engineering achievements and let the politics and double standard out of discussion.

[Griffin]

Guys, I don't think blaming projects of being late is a good argument. Those projects that are on schedule are small minority. Almost everything in aviation is late in civilian, military and even simulators. I can't even think of any project that hasn't been delayed. I wonder when people learn that it's done when it's done (applies to any category).

[Groove]

Thread topic:

 

T-50 (PAK-FA) construction started

[topol-m]

Thread topic:

 

T-50 (PAK-FA) construction started

 

We need something like this ^^^ in the "Military and Aviation news thread" :D

[Pilotasso]

Still wayting... but its hard not to go off topic, we dont have much to comment on it at all. In this respect russian stealth has been very effective... :D

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

In this respect russian stealth has been very effective... :D

Because it was the Russian scientist who have developed a theory that was used to design stealth as we know it now.

[Krippz]

Can't wait to see the Plasma Stealth on this baby :lol:

[GGTharos]

Regardless of who it was, no one else seems to have seen value in it before the USAF.

 

Because it was the Russian scientist who have developed a theory that was used to design stealth as we know it now.

[Groove]

 

http://knaapo.ru

[Pilotasso]

Because it was the Russian scientist who have developed a theory that was used to design stealth as we know it now.

 

Who friggin cares?

 

It was the americans who actualy developed and deployed it.

 

PAK FA probably uses reverse engeneering from the downed F-117, you think all russian fans will give a damn?

Or everyone else for that matter?

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

WOW! Is that the first picture of the PAK-FA?

 

 

http://knaapo.ru

[Wilde]

No, it is from some rendering, that has been around for at least half a year.

 

edit: found it

Edited January 25, 2010 by Wilde

[Flаnker]

NAVY PAK-FA (Su-41)

Edited January 25, 2010 by Flаnker

[Sov13t]

Who friggin cares?

 

It was the americans who actualy developed and deployed it.

 

PAK FA probably uses reverse engeneering from the downed F-117, you think all russian fans will give a damn?

Or everyone else for that matter?

 

You are a bit touchy it seems... relax???

 

In the case with F-35 and its engines as an example, the only reason it has not been further developed in Russia was because of $$$, unlike the U.S., Russia does not print $$$ for the rest of the world, thus no freedom to add zeroes to military contracts at will, so it is purely an economic win.

 

This is why 4C Hajduk is saying what he is saying (research further on Yak-141 if you would like):

 

Edited January 25, 2010 by Sov13t

[GGTharos]

That's like saying that the Tu-160 is a B-1A copy ;)

[Sov13t]

That's like saying that the Tu-160 is a B-1A copy ;)

 

No one is innocent... especially when it comes to military tech.

 

Its the way it is.

[Alfa]

That's like saying that the Tu-160 is a B-1A copy ;)

 

Hardly GG.....at least I doubt that Rockwell sold their R&D material to Tupolev ;)

[SuperKungFu]

In the aviation world...you will always find some planes from different countries that look like one another. For example:

 

Tupolev Tu-160 and the Rockwell B-1B

NASA X-29 and Sukhoi S-37

US Space Shuttle, Buran Space Shuttle

C-5 and An-124

 

I won't be surprised if the PAK-FA resembles the F-22.

[Groove]

Flight tests on 29th of January, photos will be published short afterwards.

 

And no, it's not the T-50 on this pic ;)

 

http://www.lifenews.ru/news/10424

[gigz-on]

PAK-FA's callsign - "Flaming"! :pilotfly:

[Boberro]

Can;t wait for movies and details.