The T-50 (PAK-FA) Thread

[mikoyan]

You are grown up man when you realize that politicians have a "right" to lie.

 

Sukhoi engineers have nothing to worry about. Their work on T-50 speaks louder then politicians empty speeches.

 

BTW that take off and right turn was very very impressive. I watched F-22 live, but something like this ...

 

I didn't see the afterburners, was he flying on military power only? also I just noticed that if the pilot fires the gun he is going to hit its own pitot censors :music_whistling: or they are going to move them later?

[Griffin]

"Did you just call it 'Raptorski'?"

 

Perfect! :D

 

Thanks to Antartis for all the updates on this fantastic aircraft!

[Vekkinho]

I didn't see the afterburners, was he flying on military power only? also I just noticed that if the pilot fires the gun he is going to hit its own pitot censors :music_whistling: or they are going to move them later?

 

This pitot tube with AoA sensor is really funny looking.

 

On the AB, perhaps it was engaged bt you couldn't see the cones 'cause of the bright light conditions. The camera that took the video is placed north of the runway and it's really har to get decent photos of aircraft when you shoot into the light. I remember this from MAKS 2007 when I was in spectators area, photographs taken during high noon are overexposed leaving planes in shadow. That's why most of the reporters and photographers take pics from the tower that's south of the runway.

 

Edit:

However biggest dissapointment with PAK-FA (for me) is not the pitot tube but obvious lack of S shaped inlets, I remember first drawings of possble S shaped inlet over PAK-FA photos, guess it's just a wish of the artist.

ATM those engines are a great RCS and thermal enhancer from both ends so Sukhoi better do something about it if they plan on advertising PAK-FA better than you know what. PAK-FA can dance in the air but F-22 shoots from a distance...

Edited June 18, 2010 by Vekkinho

[Antartis]

Russia's Defense Ministry will order at least 50 fifth-generation fighters from 2016, a senior official said on Thursday.

"At the first stage, there will be dozens of planes, more than 50," said Vladimir Popovkin, deputy defense minister for arms procurement.

He was on hand as Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin observed the test flight of a prototype fighter and later talked to the pilot, Sergei Bogdan, who said it was the fighter's 16th test flight and more would follow shortly.

Popovkin said that based on the outcome of initial tests, the Defense Ministry would purchase the first six to 10 aircraft after 2012.

He said the fighter will be superior to U.S. analogs.

"The requirements we are setting on this plane are well above those for the U.S. fifth-generation aircraft," he said.

Putin said the Russian fighter will be about three times as cheap as its foreign analogs.

The prime minister said 30 billion rubles (around $1 billion) had already been spent on the project and another 30 billion would be required to complete it, after which the engine, weaponry and other components would be upgraded.

He said, factoring in modernization and upgrades, the fighter will have a service life of 30-35 years.

As Putin climbed into the cockpit of the plane, Bogdan began telling him about the aircraft's unique features, in particular the yoke that was very convenient, especially during overloads.

"I know, I have some flying experience," Putin said.

In 2000, then acting president Putin co-piloted a Sukhoi-27 Flanker fighter jet from Krasnodar to Chechnya's capital of Grozny ahead of presidential elections.

Russia's only known fifth-generation project is Sukhoi's PAK FA and the current prototype is the T-50. It is designed to compete with the U.S. F-22 Raptor, so far the world's only fifth-generation fighter, and the F-35 Lightning II.

Russia has been developing its newest fighter since the 1990s. The country's top military officials have said the stealth fighter jet with a range of up to 5,500 km should enter service with the Air Force in 2015.

The PAK FA is to be armed with next-generation air-to-air, air-to-surface, and air-to-ship missiles, and has two 30-mm cannons.

 

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20100617/159464671.html

[Antartis]

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

On the AB, perhaps it was engaged bt you couldn't see the cones 'cause of the bright light conditions. The camera that took the video is placed north of the runway and it's really har to get decent photos of aircraft when you shoot into the light.

T-50 uses stealth afterburners. That's why they are not visible on that footage and you could not see them. But, some say, afterburners are visible with 3D glasses?

[Vekkinho]

T-50 uses stealth afterburners. That's why they are not visible on that footage and you could not see them. But, some say, afterburners are visible with 3D glasses?

 

Stealth AB?! Enlighten us, I ve never heard of it b4!

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Stealth AB?! Enlighten us, I ve never heard of it b4!

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[Antartis]

Prime Minister Putin praised Russia’s new fifth-generation fighter jet when he visited the Central Aerohydrodynamics Institute in the Moscow region on June 17. However, Putin was hasty in his remarks. The T-50 fighter jet, which performed its 16th test flight for Putin, can not be referred to as the fifth-generation aircraft. Experts claim that the plane has to be reequipped to obtain the title.

For the time being, the PAK FA jet meets only a few requirements of the aircraft of this class, the Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper said.

According to experts’ estimates, if a plane does not correspond to two or three requirements on the list of technical qualities, it can not be considered as fifth-generation aircraft. That is why the USA’s F-35 and Russia’s MiG-35 are only budget replacements of the genuine F-22 and T-50 fifth-generation jets.

The plane, which was demonstrated to Putin in the town of Zhukovsky, corresponded to a part of technical requirements. It is a multi-role jet that can be used both for executing air defense tasks and for striking ground-based targets.

Russia Today: Russian fifth-generation fighter: high hopes

The T-50 develops the ultrasonic speed in a regular operation mode. Fourth-generation jets had to use the afterburner for the purpose. The T-50 engine consists of the digital control system and the plasma ignition system. The engine and the advanced construction of glider give the jet extra high maneuvering abilities. Russian specialists are working on the next generation of engines that are said to improve the flight performance of the T-50.

The stealth technology, a mandatory requirement for a fifth-generation fighter jet, has not been fully developed for T-50. It is worthy of note that the T-50 is the stealthiest plane among all Russian warplanes. However, US specialists sacrificed additional maneuvering ability to make the F-22 stealthier. Experts say that Russian engineers will most likely choose the maneuvering capability between the two qualities.

The PAK FA carries state-of-the-art radar equipment with active phased antenna array. The Russian-made device allows to conduct all-sided and multi-channel target servicing, which is also one of the requirements for fifth-generation fighter jets.

The T-50 lacks the required electronic equipment. The plane of this class must carry state-of-the-art avionics: a circular data system, automated interference control and other systems. It was earlier reported that India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited would deal with development of the navigation system and the mission computer for the T-50.

Vladimir Putin said in Zhukovsky that the T-50 fifth-generation fighter jet would be 2.5 or even 3 times less expensive than its foreign analogues. The Russian jet will overcome the USA’s F-22 on its maneuvering ability, arms and range.

Russia has spent 30 billion rubles on the first stage of the development of the plane and will require additional 30 billion rubles for the second stage. The modernization of the engine and the arms of the jet will follow next.

PAK FA’s speed limit is 2600 km/h, the maximum non-afterburning speed – 2100 km/h. The practical range – 4300 km. For comparison, F-22 Raptor’s speed limit makes up 2410 km.h, the maximum non-afterburning speed – 1963 km/h, and the practical range – 3219 km.

http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/18-06-2010/113908-fifth_generation-0

[Antartis]

All from http://pilot.strizhi.info/2010/06/22/8752

 

Edit: Are not presented the photographs direct. In order to you see the remainder photographs press to link.

Edited June 24, 2010 by Antartis

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Pilots of Russian T-50 escape the fate of a test by David Cooley

In Russia completes flight testing of fundamentally new costumes for the pilots of fighters "fifth generation" - T-50 aircraft, which since 2012 had expected to begin flowing to the troops. As described GZT.RU military doctors, the costumes would protect pilots from over-congestion on the road bends the plane, while having no analogues in the management. The system of pressure compensation in these cases due to electronics will be proactive, that would protect pilots from losing consciousness.

The new suit and life support system for him to produce NPP Zvezda, and tested for strength in the State Research Institute of Military Medicine Russian Defense Ministry. It is here ready to fly the first cosmonaut dogs, including the legendary Proteins and arrow, and it was in the courtyard of the institution designer Korolev first met future preovootkryvatelem space by Yuri Gagarin. The Museum of the Institute is still stored spacesuits dogs and flight suits for pilots and astronauts, including several generations of helmets and life support systems.

As told GZT.RU Chief Researcher Research Institute of Medical Sciences, Mikhail Khomenko, the main difference between new items predecessors will be its ability to compensate for the load in three dimensions, not only tilts forward, backward and sideways, as in the existing aircraft, but also lateral rotation, which will be occur when super-maneuverable turns of on-site, one of the brand highlights "fifth generation".

Pilots of T-50 cheat, like all

Compensation will be achieved, as before, by a pneumatic system back pressure built into the costume. In the event of overloading the air fills sewn into a suit micro camera, and they will reap legs and stomach pilot, preventing the leakage of blood from the head-main cause of fainting during a flight.

If the existing aircraft pressurizing system is triggered when the overload occurred, the new system, thanks to electronics, will advance to calculate the critical points of a horizontal turn and create back pressure in a fraction of a second to load.

Of course, the new support system will also provide the desired pilot temperature and providing it with pure oxygen at high altitudes.

The adequacy of the pilot will assess the artificial intelligence

Another important feature of the system will track the physical condition of the pilot. If the inappropriate behavior of the pilot system "understand" that he lost consciousness, it will automatically turn off the wheel and the car will translate into horizontal flight. This will prevent incidents such as accident in March 2009, the American F-22 crashed after a test pilot David Cooley lost consciousness from sverhperegruzok.

In the Enterprise "Zvezda", where the system produces, GZT.RU refused to comment on features of its devices, citing the confidentiality of this information, but confirmed that such systems are already installed on two copies of T-50, one of which performs test flights, and the other prepared for them.

Full testing and debugging the new system will be completed after the test pilots will check it in practice cornering. It is expected that the T-50 will begin testing with the overload, during the year.

Pure oxygen refreshes commander "Swifts"

The commander of the aerobatic team "Swifts" Valery Morozov told GZT.RU, that the compensation system pressure and oxygen supply seriously make life easier for pilots.

"When the mask starts flowing pure oxygen, it is very refreshing, it increases the reaction. And in the G-suit is much easier to break overload, as when the leg press and compressed, no blood pours from his head. Although the original sense: Imagine that your legs and stomach wrapped cuffs from the manometer and pumped rapidly. But otherwise at this speed in the blood vessels can not hold "- said Morozov.

According to him, to overload reached 9g, enough to make forced U-turn at a speed of 800 kilometers per hour. In practice, such a reversal is rarely practiced, during the training pilots deploy machines at much lower speeds with the overload of no more than 7g. However, during the battle is important is the speed of maneuver-turn at high speed can save the aircraft from the launch surface-to-air ", which does not have time to react and lose the target.

Spine-prey Aviation

Because of constant acceleration suffers primarily spine pilot. According to Morozova, those long summer with congestion then suffer osteochondrosis, Schmorl's hernia (bulging of the intervertebral cartilage into bone), varicose veins, curvature of the spine. In addition, during each horizontal turn with the blood and internal organs move, which is also not good for health. Therefore, if the Russian Air Force combat pilot, serves in the sky on average 20 years, participants aerobatic teams that are constantly flying cornering, 5-10 years.

According to Morozova, G-suit saves primarily from varicose veins. To protect the spine, the pilot must be in a hard brace, which is just overload begins to compress the spine, began working in the opposite direction, stretch it. Does the new suit and a corset is still unknown, anti-parameters of the new system are classified. But even if it contains in the body mass of the pilot's remains vulnerable places, which may not transfer the super-maneuverability. Therefore the main primary criterion of survival overload remains excellent health pilot.

 

 

Link

http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2010/07/02/198079.html

[Peyoteros]

Best internet translation in years...

[Antartis]

Best internet translation in years...

 

 

The next time I will do intensive homework of Russian language

:D :prop:

Edited July 2, 2010 by Antartis

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Ohh .... this translation made me laugh big time!!

[Griffin]

[Antartis]

Russia’s flight plan

 

Mikhail Pogosyan – CEO, Sukhoi Aircraft Holding and First Vice-President, United Aircraft Corporation

Today my guest is Mikhail Pogosyan. Russian aircraft manufacturing companies are capable of penetrating global markets despite tough competition said Prime Minister Putin at the recent international forum Engineering Technologies 2010. Besides famous Russian fighter jets, there are several civil projects that could find global success and the Superjet 100 medium-haul passenger plane is one of them. To talk about the difficulties and successes in Russian aircraft manufacturing, our guest in the studio is First Vice-President of the United Aircraft Corporation.

http://rt.com/About_Us/Programmes/Spotlight/2010-08-26/585682.html#

[Antartis]

 

 

[Teknetinium]

Nice pictures.

[nscode]

Notice the new engine nozzles

[Boberro]

That bird is pretty in this markings, I'm curious about plane and its abilities. Russians are known they call their planes "cool", "good", "it will pwn all" but very often practice says something different.

[topol-m]

Russians are known they call their planes "cool", "good", "it will pwn all" but very often practice says something different.

 

Everybody does that not only the russians.

[IronsightSniper]

So, the biggest question, anybody but Carlo Kopp have estimates on it's RCS? I know that part of the craft isn't "finished" yet, but it would help in my Russian fan-boy arguments :p

[nscode]

if that's what you need it for, it is estimated to be close to 0.01. But how close is anyone's guess :D

[onehitxzibit]

if that's what you need it for, it is estimated to be close to 0.01. But how close is anyone's guess :D

Gotta admit that in it's current shape it doesn't look nowhere near 0.01.

[Pilotasso]

The PAK-Fa has incomplete stealth characteristics. The finished product RCS is still much in the air. they need to test it.