Horns Posted April 2 Posted April 2 Curious about the difference between the FF Warsaw Pact variant of the Fulcrum we’re getting and the variant provided to countries outside the Pact (eg India). Is it broadly similar or is the non Pact version significantly downgraded? 1 Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F-15E] [F-16] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [Afghanistan] [Cold War: Germany] [Iraq] [Kola] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i9-14900KF, Nvidia GTX 4080, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X 64GB DDR5 @ 6400 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Asus ROG Gladius 3, VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, VKB STECS throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Meta Quest 3
Solution AeriaGloria Posted April 2 Solution Posted April 2 The MiG-29B non Warsaw pact version would mostly have differences for the player only in IFF. Instead of automatically interrogating anything on radar, you need to manually press an interrogate button on the stick that replaces the normal “unlock” button. And on 9.12B, in order to then unlock a target you need to press a button in front of the throttle. On 9.12/9.12A, this button instead is a switch that allows the radar to lock on to only enemies or also friendly IFF signals. So to the player, if we got 9.12B the only extra thing we would need to do is manually interrogate, and we wouldn’t be able to have it only lock onto enemy contacts or both enemy/friendly. This thread has some good posts on it, you’ll just need to scroll down a bit https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/soviet-russian-iff.792/#post-9051 2 Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Pavlin_33 Posted April 3 Posted April 3 As per the manual, manual interogation can take up to 4 seconds. 1 i5-4690K CPU 3.50Ghz @ 4.10GHz; 32GB DDR3 1600MHz; GeForce GTX 1660 Super; LG IPS225@1920x1080; Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB; Windows 10 Pro
TotenDead Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Also, depending on a country, it might lack the R-73. For example, Iraq MiGs had only R-60s as short range missiles
F-2 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 hour ago, TotenDead said: Also, depending on a country, it might lack the R-73. For example, Iraq MiGs had only R-60s as short range missiles Iraq’s migs were not equipped with R-73 but they were capable of using them. The Iraqi Fulcrum was a 9.12B and it was specially de modified the Soviets simply didn’t include it. 1
Harlikwin Posted April 23 Posted April 23 On 4/6/2025 at 1:08 PM, F-2 said: Iraq’s migs were not equipped with R-73 but they were capable of using them. The Iraqi Fulcrum was a 9.12B and it was specially de modified the Soviets simply didn’t include it. Exactly this. CZ never bought the R-73 either, not sure on the DDR or Poland. But everyone's 29 could use the 73. 1 New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
draconus Posted April 23 Posted April 23 12 hours ago, Harlikwin said: CZ never bought the R-73 either, not sure on the DDR or Poland. Yes for Poland and DDR: and also according to wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-73_(missile)#Former_operators they say about Czechoslovakia. 3 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Horns Posted May 1 Author Posted May 1 (edited) On 4/2/2025 at 2:12 PM, AeriaGloria said: The MiG-29B non Warsaw pact version would mostly have differences for the player only in IFF. Instead of automatically interrogating anything on radar, you need to manually press an interrogate button on the stick that replaces the normal “unlock” button. And on 9.12B, in order to then unlock a target you need to press a button in front of the throttle. On 9.12/9.12A, this button instead is a switch that allows the radar to lock on to only enemies or also friendly IFF signals. So to the player, if we got 9.12B the only extra thing we would need to do is manually interrogate, and we wouldn’t be able to have it only lock onto enemy contacts or both enemy/friendly. This thread has some good posts on it, you’ll just need to scroll down a bit https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/soviet-russian-iff.792/#post-9051 Apologies, I thought I had replied previously. Thank you for such a comprehensive answer. If IFF and its related switchology are the main difference, it seems that the forthcoming module will be a reasonable analog for the MiGs of any country who owned them, be they USSR, WP or non-aligned. Much appreciated. Edited May 1 by Horns Grammar Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F-15E] [F-16] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [Afghanistan] [Cold War: Germany] [Iraq] [Kola] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i9-14900KF, Nvidia GTX 4080, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X 64GB DDR5 @ 6400 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Asus ROG Gladius 3, VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, VKB STECS throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Meta Quest 3
Weta43 Posted May 20 Posted May 20 So you're sure Wikipedia*'s wrong when it says that : "MiG-29 (Product 9.12A) 'Fulcrum-A' Export variant of the 9.12 for Warsaw Pact countries which included a downgraded RPLK-29E radar, downgraded OEPrNK-29E optoelectronic and navigation systems and older IFF transponders." That's good news *& from elsewhere: "N-019EA is the version supplied to Warsaw Pact countries. Lacks “SP” mode." ("Mode “SP” (???): Free Search Information on this mode is not available. It is believed to be a high PRF mode similar to Encounter mode, only available on Soviet standard machines, with better ECCM capabilities.") Cheers.
AeriaGloria Posted May 21 Posted May 21 21 hours ago, Weta43 said: So you're sure Wikipedia*'s wrong when it says that : "MiG-29 (Product 9.12A) 'Fulcrum-A' Export variant of the 9.12 for Warsaw Pact countries which included a downgraded RPLK-29E radar, downgraded OEPrNK-29E optoelectronic and navigation systems and older IFF transponders." That's good news *& from elsewhere: "N-019EA is the version supplied to Warsaw Pact countries. Lacks “SP” mode." ("Mode “SP” (???): Free Search Information on this mode is not available. It is believed to be a high PRF mode similar to Encounter mode, only available on Soviet standard machines, with better ECCM capabilities.") If downgraded, it is downgraded in some way that has 0 effect on performance, as their manuals and even for “9.12B” version give identical ranges, lock times, etc. Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
F-2 Posted May 21 Posted May 21 It’s probably ECM and IFF which is pretty normal for every export radar.
Weta43 Posted May 23 Posted May 23 It says in the quote I posted at least 1 way it was downgraded; it's missing a search mode that the Soviet radar had : "N-019EA is the version supplied to Warsaw Pact countries. Lacks “SP” mode." On 5/22/2025 at 9:08 AM, AeriaGloria said: If downgraded, it is downgraded in some way that has 0 effect on performance, as their manuals and even for “9.12B” version give identical ranges, lock times, etc. Cheers.
F-2 Posted May 23 Posted May 23 10 minutes ago, Weta43 said: It says in the quote I posted at least 1 way it was downgraded; it's missing a search mode that the Soviet radar had : "N-019EA is the version supplied to Warsaw Pact countries. Lacks “SP” mode." Later production Soviet Fulcrums also had this mode removed. It wasn’t liked or used by pilots for some reason.
Weta43 Posted May 23 Posted May 23 Interesting - that would explain why it's not well described in the literature. Loved or not, it's still something that was available on the 9.12 but not on the 9.12A, which makes the 9.12A 'functionally downgraded'. Seems obvious at some level - if there were no functional difference there wouldn't be any point in creating an export version and installing that to Warsaw pact aircraft rather than keeping life simple & just exporting the original radar (/IRST/IFF) Unless 'EA' is the Russian acronym for "With Soviet Version of Tesla Kill Switch" Cheers.
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