Cant wait for the future release of the AH64

[joey45]

Thou shall refrain your comment and bow to the crown.....:lol::lol:

 

it does have the HIDAS whatever its called..

[Focha]

Mmm... I don't care about the anti ice on the rotor blades and that extra power... AH-64A is able to carry hellfires and thirty mike mike anyway. :joystick: Plus it must be more challenging that D, pilot don't have those MFDs that shows him what CP/G is seeing. Ah... it will be cool for sure if they ever make it.

[GERY]

Longbow. It was just, so good.

[CAT_101st]

sotheir is no info on the AH-64B upgrade. That was dun by the army. If I am right it was minor up grade in rotor tec and GPS nav tec. But would be nice to see that in game.

[AlphaOneSix]

Plus it must be more challenging that D, pilot don't have those MFDs that shows him what CP/G is seeing.

 

The pilot station in the A-model has a CRT than can be set to display the DTV or FLIR image from the TADS, so as long as the gunner is not using the DVO, the pilot can see what the gunner is seeing just fine. In fact, that's a very typical thing to do.

[AlphaOneSix]

sotheir is no info on the AH-64B upgrade. That was dun by the army. If I am right it was minor up grade in rotor tec and GPS nav tec. But would be nice to see that in game.

 

There is no such thing as a B-model. At least, not one that ever made it past the planning stage. The B-model was envisioned as a navalized version of the Apache for the Navy and Marine Corps.

[joey45]

but they atayed with the Cobra..

 

look on the wiki.

[Cyb0rg]

I know its a long way off, but I'm still anticipating the AH64 module. One thing I really hope is that it has COOP, so I can have a real gunner.

 

My friend and I would play over LAN on two PC's next to each other. I would be the pilot and he would be the gunner.:joystick:

 

The best regards to the DCS developer team!:thumbup:

 

 

 

Hum.. i am not sure if this is the best path for ED.

[AlphaOneSix]

but they atayed with the Cobra..

 

look on the wiki.

 

The wiki can't tell me anything I don't already know about the Cobra. ;)

 

As usual, it turned out to be more about money than anything else. The Cobra is much cheaper than the Apache. So the Marines stuck the the Cobra. Same reason they kept the Huey and didn't switch to the Black Hawk. The Black Hawk is far more capable than the N-model Hueys currently in service with the USMC. Of course, the new Y and Z upgrades reduce this capability gap significantly, but the draw there is the 85% part compatibility between the UH-1Y and the AH-1Z, which really helps reduce cost.

[Focha]

Hum.. i am not sure if this is the best path for ED.

 

Why not? The best path in my humble opinion it so try to make both pits coop and implement a system of invitation, then if you are a pilot who wish to fly alone with AI you will not have your pit open, but if you want some human as CP/G you would invite someone, or vice versa, if you want to become someone CP/G you would place a request and the pilot would accept or reject. Something if you what a pilot to fly you. I think that would be the way. AI can be pretty stupid, even the most unscripted advanced one, so it's always welcome to have a human CP/G with you if he really want to do that. For me that way it would be great, and switching sides each mission.

 

The pilot station in the A-model has a CRT than can be set to display the DTV or FLIR image from the TADS, so as long as the gunner is not using the DVO, the pilot can see what the gunner is seeing just fine. In fact, that's a very typical thing to do.

 

You are right, I forgot about that. What I mean in general is that the pilots workload is a lot more than in the D version (I guess, although the workload in D is heavy too).

 

Regards to all.

[CAT_101st]

There is no such thing as a B-model. At least, not one that ever made it past the planning stage. The B-model was envisioned as a navalized version of the Apache for the Navy and Marine Corps.

 

This why I thought their was one I did not remimber the cansellation of the B.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AH-64_Apache

 

AH-64A

The AH-64A is the original production attack helicopter. It is powered by two GE T700 turbo-shaft engines. The crew sit in tandem in an armored compartment.

The helicopter is armed with a 30 mm M230 Chain Gun that is slaved to the gunner's helmet-mounted gunsight. The AH-64A carries a range of external stores on its stub-wing pylons, including a mixture of AGM-114 Hellfire anti-tank missiles, Hydra 70 general-purpose unguided 70 mm (2.75 in) rockets, and AIM-92 Stinger air-to-air missiles for defense.

 

AH-64B

 

In 1991 after Operation Desert Storm, the AH-64B was a proposed upgrade to 254 AH-64As. The upgrade included new rotor blades, a Global Positioning System (GPS), improved navigaton systems and new radios. Congress approved US$82 million to begin the Apache B upgrade. The B program was canceled in 1992.[5] The radio, navigation, and GPS modifications, would later be installed on most A-model Apaches as part of an upgrade program.

 

AH-64C

Additional funding from Congress in late 1991 resulted in a program to upgrade AH-64As to an AH-64B+ version. More funding changed the plan to upgrade to AH-64C. The C upgrade would include all changes to be included in the Longbow except for mast mounted radar and newer engines. However, after 1993, the C designation was dropped.[5]

The upgrades would go forward. However, since the only difference between the C model and the radar-equipped D model was the radar, which could be moved from one aircraft to another, a decision was made to not distinguish between the two versions, despite the presence or absence of the radar.

 

AH-64D

The advanced model, the AH-64D Apache Longbow, is equipped with an improved sensor suite, glass cockpit, and weapon systems. The key improvement over the A-variant is the AN/APG-78 Longbow dome installed over the main rotor which houses a millimeter-wave Fire Control Radar (FCR) target acquisition system as well as the Radar Frequency Interferometer (RFI). The elevated position of the radome allows detection and (arcing) missile engagement of targets even when the helicopter itself is concealed by an obstacle (e.g. terrain, trees or buildings). Further, a radio modem integrated with the sensor suite allows a D-variant Apache to share targeting data with other AH-64Ds that do not have a line-of-sight to the target. In this manner a group of Apaches can engage multiple targets but only reveal the radome of one D-variant Apache. Apaches that include all of the improvements of the Longbow Apache, with the exception of the Fire Control Radar are still designated as "AH-64D Apache Longbows", as the radome is removable and interchangeable between aircraft.

The aircraft was updated with more powerful T700-GE-701C engines, and a fully-integrated cockpit. The forward fuselage of the aircraft was expanded to accommodate new systems. In addition, the aircraft receives improved survivability, communications, and navigation capabilities. Most existing capabilities of the AH-64A Apache are retained.

The first of the upgraded Block II Apaches was delivered to the US Army in February 2003. Block II includes upgrades to the digital communications systems to improve communications within the 'tactical internet'.[42]

Block III improvements, slated for 2008 onwards, include increasing digitization, the joint tactical radio system, enhanced engines and drive systems, capability to control UAVs, new composite rotor blade and landing gear upgrades. The new blades, which successfully completed flight testing in May 2004, increase the Apache's cruise speed, climb rate and payload capability. The Block III System Development and Demonstration (SDD) contract was awarded to Boeing in July 2006.[42]

Edited August 9, 2009 by CAT_101st

[jctrnacty]

After A-10 C, I´d like to get an Mi-24 something i ´m missing since DI Mi-24. And decent dynamic campaign would be great too.

[AlphaOneSix]

I was always under the impression that the B-model was the proposed Sea Apache. All of the upgrades mentioned for the B-model were retrofitted to A-models with no change in designation. What I do know for sure is that there was never an Apache built that carried the "B" designation. Same goes for the C-model.

[CAT_101st]

so the next question is will the DCS modeled AH-64A have theas upgrades?

[joey45]

post or pre Gulf 1?

[AlphaOneSix]

so the next question is will the DCS modeled AH-64A have theas upgrades?

 

post or pre Gulf 1?

 

It has been mentioned that if ED does the Apache, it will be the Block 49a version. The only version more recent than that (of which I'm aware) is Block 51. Using the term "Block" is misleading, as the version really refers to the fire control computer software version. But yes, the version modeled by ED would presumably be the most recent, or close to it. The WIP cockpit for the AH-64A bears this out, as it includes many upgrades that were not part of the AH-64A as late as 1995.

[joey45]

so it will ha..... on second thoughts forget it... I'm just gonna wait till it's offical and say what it has and hasn't got / upgrade / block thingy*

 

*delete non aplicable

[Ivonq]

If they do make the apache it will be the AH-64A.

 

There's no data on anyother versions (ie. the D, the british one, or whatever else)

 

Well, that is not totally true as the whole Longbows manual can be found on the internet. Don't ask me about the legal status and where to get it, but the full detailed manual can be found: TM 1-1520-251-10, Operator's Manual for Army Model AH-64D Helicopter, which technically would mean that you, ED, could make it.

 

And there are plenty of retired Longbow pilots out there, who flew in recent conflicts (Iraq/Afghanistan) writing books, who (probably) would love to help out in recreating the most authentic simulator. They are writing openly about it, youtube galore, I can't see why you can't simulate it.

 

Besides that, I think with your current contacts in the military and aviation, they would be more than willing to help out to represent their equipment/product.

 

Anyhow, an AH-64A would do fine also, although the Longbow would be the bread and butter sort to speak. I seriously hope that you are presenting an Apache after the A-10.

Edited August 16, 2009 by Ivonq

[GGTharos]

That manual alone is inadequate.

 

It's like saying you can simulate an F-15C from a -1.

 

Let me reiterate so it's very clear: Right now, all the signs point towards a 64D not happening. It'll be an -A if it does happen.

[Ivonq]

That manual alone is inadequate.

 

It's like saying you can simulate an F-15C from a -1.

 

Let me reiterate so it's very clear: Right now, all the signs point towards a 64D not happening. It'll be an -A if it does happen.

 

It's all good for me...mate. Just stating that if ED would want to pursue it, there are possibilities. It is not just the manual, retired pilots are speaking out in the open on the bird. Anyhow, A or D, it really doesn't matter for me personally. I love both versions.

 

Besides that, it would leave something for the modders to do. :D

[joey45]

Well, that is not totally true as the whole Longbows manual can be found on the internet. Don't ask me about the legal status and where to get it, but the full detailed manual can be found: TM 1-1520-251-10, Operator's Manual for Army Model AH-64D Helicopter, which technically would mean that you, ED, could make it.

 

And there are plenty of retired Longbow pilots out there, who flew in recent conflicts (Iraq/Afghanistan) writing books, who (probably) would love to help out in recreating the most authentic simulator. They are writing openly about it, youtube galore, I can't see why you can't simulate it.

 

Besides that, I think with your current contacts in the military and aviation, they would be more than willing to help out to represent their equipment/product.

 

Anyhow, an AH-64A would do fine also, although the Longbow would be the bread and butter sort to speak. I seriously hope that you are presenting an Apache after the A-10.

 

It's what they want you to read. There's alot of stuff they have withheld.

 

I've seen military docs 'for military use only' and docs that the military have released...

 

There is alot that has been held back I bet.

[jctrnacty]

My guess is that after a-10 , they will move towards to new engine and supersonic jets. Still doubt it will have a dynamic campaign.

[Nate--IRL--]

...... Still doubt it will have a dynamic campaign.

 

Hell would have to freeze over first......

 

Nate

[MrReynolds]

Air-Ground radar would be great.....but lots of work......................:music_whistling:

Could this be why "we're" sticking to older aircraft??? :(

[GGTharos]

Nope.