investigating No RWR warnings about SA-11 launch

[Northstar98]

24 minutes ago, okopanja said:

No radar, no distance information.

Yeah, but 3-point guidance only requires angular information.

[okopanja]

4 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

Yeah, but 3-point guidance only requires angular information.

Yes, but it is not the best.

[Gilligan]

8 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

yes we have tested and it seems ok, but the testing team will continue to check it. 

 

I appreciate y 'all's diligence.

[DCS FIGHTER PILOT]

On 8/1/2025 at 4:37 AM, DD_Fenrir said:

 

 

Are you guys using any unofficial mods?

 

Yes, though not for the F-16.( I actually did not realize this was in the F-16 bug session until now so this may be slightly out of place) 

For the FC3 F-15C, I am using a clickable cockpit mod and for the HB F-14, I am using a clean cockpit labels mod. Neither of these jets gave me an RWR warning (in the multiplayer server and once in singe player) when the SA-11 fired on me. 

I am also not getting consistent launch warnings in the Hornet either. What I have experienced is that the SA-11 will launch and then mid flight, I will get a launch warning. I guess this is somewhat better though (and perhaps even intended)? 

In the meantime, I will do a repair and see what happens. 

Edited August 4 by DCS FIGHTER PILOT

[Default774]

This has nothing to do with specific aircraft and is an issue across all aircraft. With the new SA-11 missile aerodynamics it meant it could engage targets beyond the range at which the tracking radar was detectable on RWR. The RWR detection range (so to say) was increased last update, but not increased enough. Provided you are flying high and fast enough, the range at which the SA-11 can engage you is still longer than the range at which it becomes detectable on RWRs, so until you get closer to the SAM you will not get a warning.

This issue is reported to ED.

Edited August 4 by Default774

[DCS FIGHTER PILOT]

3 hours ago, Default774 said:

This has nothing to do with specific aircraft and is an issue across all aircraft. With the new SA-11 missile aerodynamics it meant it could engage targets beyond the range at which the tracking radar was detectable on RWR. The RWR detection range (so to say) was increased last update, but not increased enough. Provided you are flying high and fast enough, the range at which the SA-11 can engage you is still longer than the range at which it becomes detectable on RWRs, so until you get closer to the SAM you will not get a warning.

This issue is reported to ED.

Yep, that would make sense. Glad it has been reported. 

 

[YoYo]

I set up the server a few days ago and there was no problem for me, RWR reported 11, everything is fine. However, you should remember about the short horizontal range of the SA-11, it activates when we are very close.

[xanstin]

This happen to me today, it is very intermittent. Was doing some testing from mission editor and maybe 1:6 times I got a launch and nothing ever showed up on RWR. It was on the HAD and HAS however. Will try to catch it with a track file.

Edited Wednesday at 10:52 PM by xanstin

[xanstin]

Doing some more testing it seems the jammer is precluding it from showing up.

Barrage mode approaching the threat it won't show when it tracks, fires etc.  It will show up just before missile hits you.

Self Protect you get some tones at first but then will subside and be intermittent despite it tracking and fired missile tracking you.

This behavior is only for when the Snow Drift vehicle is part of the group. If just TELMARs it works as I would think is normal. It almost seems like it is Jamming us not them as it doesnt seem to have any effect on the SD radar range vs just a TELMAR without an SD as part of the group

No idea if the jammer should kill your RWR receiver I will defer to the experts.SA11 TEST.trk

Edited 9 hours ago by xanstin

[okopanja]

2 hours ago, xanstin said:

Doing some more testing it seems the jammer is precluding it from showing up.

This would indicate HOJ mode launch. Also the jammer itself could affect RWR, but not sure if either of these are modeled in DCS.