Herk Pilots Don't Wear Helmets

[trev5150]

Helmets mess up their hair. 

I'm a civ (former Air Wing Marine) employee of a company currently working at Davis Monthan with a C-130 unit. USAF Herk bubbas don't wear helmets. Marine Corps Herk pilots don't either. Not even the Blue Angels Fat Albert guys and they are slamming that airplane around every demo. Please get rid of the helmets on the pilot models. You made a beautiful airplane but I just watched Ralfidude's video and it's the first thing I saw because it's the most unrealistic possible. Give them medium reg haircuts (with product) and David Clark headsets. Make it realistic. 

[Hawkeye_UK]

1 hour ago, trev5150 said:

Helmets mess up their hair. 

I'm a civ (former Air Wing Marine) employee of a company currently working at Davis Monthan with a C-130 unit. USAF Herk bubbas don't wear helmets. Marine Corps Herk pilots don't either. Not even the Blue Angels Fat Albert guys and they are slamming that airplane around every demo. Please get rid of the helmets on the pilot models. You made a beautiful airplane but I just watched Ralfidude's video and it's the first thing I saw because it's the most unrealistic possible. Give them medium reg haircuts (with product) and David Clark headsets. Make it realistic. 

Simply not true my friend that Herc pilots don't wear helmets.  Depends, night time operations under NOD's or in hostile AO's and mission set they wear helmets, and the guys in the back.  The very fact they are down low in small arms fire engagement and frag zones not to mention you need to have a helmet on to mount NOD's.

Peacetime daytime flying is different and in peacetime yea sure units will fly just with bose headsets etc in the states.

Note the trailer was done on the Afgan map, the herc is flown more than just US crews lol.  RAF crews flew with helmets daytime and nightime during the Herrick years.  To note British crews wear helmets whilst peacetime flying in the UK.  It would be misleading to say the USAF crews didnt, because they did wear helmets, depends very much on their role, where they were operating from in Afgan/Iraq, the squadron and mission.  

 

[trev5150]

13 minutes ago, Hawkeye_UK said:

Simply not true my friend that Herc pilots don't wear helmets.  Depends, night time operations under NOD's or in hostile AO's and mission set they wear helmets, and the guys in the back.  The very fact they are down low in small arms fire engagement and frag zones not to mention you need to have a helmet on to mount NOD's.

Peacetime daytime flying is different and in peacetime yea sure units will fly just with bose headsets etc in the states.

Note the trailer was done on the Afgan map, the herc is flown more than just US crews lol.  RAF crews flew with helmets daytime and nightime during the Herrick years.  To note British crews wear helmets whilst peacetime flying in the UK.  It would be misleading to say the USAF crews didnt, because they did wear helmets, depends very much on their role, where they were operating from in Afgan/Iraq, the squadron and mission.  

 

Never seen it/not gonna go back and forth with you on it. There should be F10 option to remove so you can do your British thing. 

[ThorBrasil]

 

1 hour ago, trev5150 said:

Never seen it/not gonna go back and forth with you on it. There should be F10 option to remove so you can do your British thing. 

 

Edited Sunday at 04:15 AM by ThorBrasil

[Hawkeye_UK]

1 hour ago, trev5150 said:

Never seen it/not gonna go back and forth with you on it. There should be F10 option to remove so you can do your British thing. 

Crews from Cannon and Hurlburt are very familiar with wearing helmets, agree there is no need to go back and forth, just highlighting its not just a British thing, as i said depends very much on the mission set and AO.

I think it will be down the list however on dev priorities given its a combat sim.....

[Volator]

Yes, they sometimes (!) do, depending on the mission. A400M crews too btw if they use NVGs on a flight.

[YoYo]

6 hours ago, trev5150 said:

Helmets mess up their hair. 

I'm a civ (former Air Wing Marine) employee of a company currently working at Davis Monthan with a C-130 unit. USAF Herk bubbas don't wear helmets. Marine Corps Herk pilots don't either. Not even the Blue Angels Fat Albert guys and they are slamming that airplane around every demo. Please get rid of the helmets on the pilot models. You made a beautiful airplane but I just watched Ralfidude's video and it's the first thing I saw because it's the most unrealistic possible. Give them medium reg haircuts (with product) and David Clark headsets. Make it realistic. 

There are countless examples. They do carry them, and it may be required, especially during combat missions (and DCS is a combat simulator, right?). For MSFS, this might be strange, but for DCS, it's not.

However, I agree that it would be nice to have the option of wearing a helmet or not. That is, having the pilots' heads, without helmets, wearing only headsets. 

Of course, this would probably require some changes (and contrary to appearances, modeling a human is one of the most difficult elements in 3D graphics combined with simulation), but it's possible. @ASC, maybe it's worth considering this option for users too?

[Hawkeye_UK]

8 hours ago, YoYo said:

There are countless examples. They do carry them, and it may be required, especially during combat missions (and DCS is a combat simulator, right?). For MSFS, this might be strange, but for DCS, it's not.

However, I agree that it would be nice to have the option of wearing a helmet or not. That is, having the pilots' heads, without helmets, wearing only headsets. 

Of course, this would probably require some changes (and contrary to appearances, modeling a human is one of the most difficult elements in 3D graphics combined with simulation), but it's possible. @ASC, maybe it's worth considering this option for users too?

Hi YoYo,  Just for clarity as in you replying to the guy above saying about US crews, image 1 and 3 are defo RAF lads and helmets (image 3 is clearly lads from 30 Sqn from memory), not sure about the other could be the OTU, it's definately a training flight though as that is defo UK terrain below them. 

Your last image im skeptical on, don't think its real world the picture looks too professional (re focus lenght/clarity etc) and the terrain through the window doesn't look real world, looks sim as a heads up.  Plus again most crew's wear gloves when airborne, not all before the other guy jumps in, but certainly depending on mission set.  Certainly it would be normal for RAF crews to be wearing gloves when airborne its just part of the kit even during training flights. 

But image 2 yea thats US crews clearly, with helmets.  You also have to remember with the US, its not just the air force, guard have a large component of crews for people looking at released images etc etc.

All i wanted to do was to correct the record from the first comment, which was very inaccurate, especially for combat.

[YoYo]

36 minutes ago, Hawkeye_UK said:

All i wanted to do was to correct the record from the first comment, which was very inaccurate, especially for combat.

So see this:

They wear them, they wear them. This is evident in most videos related to night flying (due to the NVGs), but not only that, they are also used during the day because of the sun visor as well. For example, Hercules pilots wore helmets in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Of course, I'm not saying that 100% or most flights can be conducted without a helmet, especially in fully controlled and relatively safe conditions, but it's always a protection in the event of a hit and a forced landing. Therefore, it's not a mistake that the ASC designed the crew to wear helmets, although, as I wrote, it would have been nice to have the option of having the crew in the cockpit without them.

[trev5150]

Never seen it

don't care about your pictures

dev should make pilot models not wearing helmets (chooseable in ME or F10)

/thread

Edited Sunday at 06:23 PM by trev5150

[YoYo]

11 minutes ago, trev5150 said:

Never seen it

don't care about your pictures

dev should make pilot models not wearing helmets (chooseable in ME or F10)

/thread

15 hours ago, trev5150 said:

Never seen it/not gonna go back and forth with you on it. There should be F10 option to remove so you can do your British thing. 

Your comments here are insulting many people and with relatively low knowledge of the subject.

If you don't care, the developer doesn't care either.

The best you can do is politely ask, that's all.

You even marked your reply as resolved. That's really lol. 

Edited Sunday at 06:33 PM by YoYo

[NeedzWD40]

Weird hill to die on, but OK.

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[Harry.R]

Your going to find it particularly hard to breath if dropping HALO troop and not on oxygen, which is another reason to wear helmets. IIRC USAF and USMC/USN pilots wear HGU-55/P helmets when flying 'tactical' sorties, night low level ops or high level with the ramp open. The RAF crews shown above also fly with helmets on for this reason. When they flew 'trash hauler' missions they just wore headsets, just like you've experienced at DM.