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[TheBiggerBass]

vor 9 Minuten schrieb MAXsenna:

Did someone sell you a bridge? Both of the Marianas maps are free.  

The PTO asset pack is a paid module, not an update. If you own the WWII asset pack you get a 30% discount when the PTO asset pack is available for purchase. It's not yet. Or am I completely missing your question as my reading skills have taken a break today? 

Cheers! 

Sorry for still asking stupid questions . I sometimes get confused when there are announcements of updates which I assumed to already own. I will look for the PTO release.

Btw: I am checking DCS shop on a regular base with Not owned activated for my next purchase 

Edited August 8 by TheBiggerBass

[MAXsenna]

6 minutes ago, TheBiggerBass said:

Sorry for still asking stupid questions . I sometimes get confused when there are announcements of updates which I assumed to already own.

No problem. No DCS update/patch has been announced today.  

[dryheat94]

I wonder how many, like me, are waiting for the release of the PTO assets before purchasing the Corsair? I would guess I'm not alone and when the pack releases there will be a bump in Corsair sales to go along with it.

[Rudel_chw]

45 minutes ago, dryheat94 said:

I wonder how many, like me, are waiting for the release of the PTO assets before purchasing the Corsair?

 

Not me, I purchased the Corsair as soon as I was sure its 3D shapes would not be encrypted:

 

 

 

 

 

[Beirut]

10 hours ago, virgo47 said:

Assets Packs are "necessary evil", although I'm not sure about necessary. In any case it splits the community when it comes to MP server access . . . 

 

If "the community" can be split by an assets pack that costs little in the first place and also comes with a 30% discount, then the community isn't worth very much.

 

This endless song and dance about how this, that, and everything else, "splits the community" is getting very old and very tired. 

[Maddog-1969]

vor 12 Stunden schrieb Rudel_chw:

 

Did you know that many of those Mods are not fully authored, but use purchased assets that not necessarily allow their use on a payware product like DCS?

No, I did not know. Thanks for the info. That's probably a big limitation. However, still useful for individuals to download in addition to the upcoming PTO. 

vor 8 Stunden schrieb Rudel_chw:

 

Not me, I purchased the Corsair as soon as I was sure its 3D shapes would not be encrypted:

 

 

 

 

 

Bought it on day one as well and one of the most challenging, but fun warbirds to fly. No regrets.  

[Irpus]

Now the old WW2 asset pack should at least be renamed as WW2 ETO asset pack because it does non represent all assets of that period.

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[MAXsenna]

Now the old WW2 asset pack should at least be renamed as WW2 ETO asset pack because it does non represent all assets of that period.

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Agree!

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[MicroShket]

It would be nice to have one day a FF early block P-38J-5-LO with earlier type of windscreen from P-38E-G.

[virgo47]

7 hours ago, Beirut said:

If "the community" can be split by an assets pack that costs little in the first place and also comes with a 30% discount, then the community isn't worth very much.

This endless song and dance about how this, that, and everything else, "splits the community" is getting very old and very tired. 

Perhaps "fragment" would be a better word. And the whole community is actually a set of many communities (and often just individuals ) with different views. Sorry to tire you with this.

I actually own WW2 pack and the other two tech-packs, but that doesn't change my view on the asset packs. Of course, in single-player it doesn't really matter, you either buy it or not, you have it or not, there is no other implication, except for campaigns and perhaps community missions.

I understand there is a lot of effort put into those assets and at least it's a big logical group of assets. I can also imagine a developer micro-selling micro things, so this is still better.

[Rudel_chw]

2 hours ago, Irpus said:

Now the old WW2 asset pack should at least be renamed as WW2 ETO asset pack because it does non represent all assets of that period.

the problem with renaming assets, is that any mission that used those is rendered obsolete. I’d prefer to keep the original name

[Beirut]

1 hour ago, virgo47 said:

Perhaps "fragment" would be a better word. And the whole community is actually a set of many communities (and often just individuals ) with different views. Sorry to tire you with this.

 

I just fail to see how a $15 asset pack would split or fragment anything. We all have to pay for our toys. And if "the community" don't want to be split, fragmented, rent asunder, folded, bent, or discombobulated, they'll simply have to cough up the 15 dollar-e-doos like the rest of us. 

 

Also, and I'll end it here, I've had this discussion before. The end result was I posted that I had two free WWII assets packs to give away. And another guy had one to offer after my two were taken. Three free WWII asset packs total were offered. The exact amount of people who asked for the free WWII assets packs after a few days was... none at all. That was the cherry on the cake of my views of "the split community". 

 

That said, I wish you a good day and happy flying. 

[MAXsenna]

the problem with renaming assets, is that any mission that used those is rendered obsolete. I’d prefer to keep the original name

I don't think he was talking about the invidual assets, but rather change the name of the complete pack, like in the store.

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[virgo47]

26 minutes ago, Beirut said:

I just fail to see how a $15 asset pack would split or fragment anything. We all have to pay for our toys. And if "the community" don't want to be split, fragmented, rent asunder, folded, bent, or discombobulated, they'll simply have to cough up the 15 dollar-e-doos like the rest of us. 

I haven't seen the price tag and assumed $30... which will likely be $15 during sales, true that. Not a big deal. Or maybe even less with WWII pack.

The story with the giveway is interesting. Maybe people got shy.

29 minutes ago, Beirut said:

That said, I wish you a good day and happy flying. 

Happy flying to you as well.

[Irpus]

I don't think he was talking about the invidual assets, but rather change the name of the complete pack, like in the store.

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Exactly

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[Gunfreak]

Having a separate asset pack isn't a good idea and I've said so. It's one of the main reasons many do not want to start dcs ww2. The entry price is too high. 

ED says they need that assets pack price to recoup their time and money. While I feel selling thousands more ww2 maps or aircraft  by not having an assets pack is probably a better way. But I'm sure ED has actually done calculations on this.  Since I don't have access to sales impossible for me to know. But I know that the 2 main reasons given for not getting into ww2 dcs is.

1 the price. With aircraft, map and asset pack. You get very little for your money vs the competition.

2. Lack of cohesive ww2 environment/too few aircraft.

Now. With PTO both of these things will be partly remedied.

Free PTO map, and a more cohesive ww2 environment centred on mid 1944. 

So we'll see if that makes people more willing to buy the PTO asset pack. Now that it will be a more complete environment and they don't have buy a ww2 map. 

I still feel a permanent deal were if you buy any ww2 module/map you'll automatically get the asset pack is best. 

So if you buy any ETO aircraft or ETO map you'll get the ww2 asset pack.

You buy any PTO module(so Corsair, F6F and Zero) you get the PTO assets pack. That way those assets aren't free. You'll need to be at least 1 relevant module. But price for entry is less. As someone who advocate for DCS all over the interweb. I've found it a very hard sell to get flight simmers to jump on ww2 dcs.

[virgo47]

5 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

You buy any PTO module(so Corsair, F6F and Zero) you get the PTO assets pack. That way those assets aren't free. You'll need to be at least 1 relevant module. But price for entry is less. As someone who advocate for DCS all over the interweb. I've found it a very hard sell to get flight simmers to jump on ww2 dcs.

This is an interesting idea. No "free", but "included" somehow. It's not quite the same but much better for some users.

And yes, I understand that many other users don't have problems with a separate pack. Of course, there is hard to say whether this would promote some additional sales of those modules... and some modules are 3rd party, so there are some complications. But it's a nice model.

[MiGCap1]

I always wonder how people who spent thousands of Euros or Dollars on the appropriate hardware for the game argue about the price of a single module or in this case of a cheap assets pack … sorry, can‘t understand.

[Gunfreak]

1 hour ago, MiGCap1 said:

I always wonder how people who spent thousands of Euros or Dollars on the appropriate hardware for the game argue about the price of a single module or in this case of a cheap assets pack … sorry, can‘t understand.

Because the majority don't. The majority spend mabye 100-200 dollars on a stick/hotas they bought at the local store. The low priced TM and logitech stuff outsell the medium and high end stuff many many times. 

"We" are the odd ones, the freaks, the junkies. There are many enough of us to keep companies like winwing and virpil alive. But we are a tiny fraction of flight simmers. Your average flight simmer, has a T1600, or logitech x52. They never by panels, they don't have rudders. And for them. When they see one game give you a map and 10 flyable aircraft for less then 1 aircraft, 1 map and a required asset pack. It becomes a hard sell. 

[diego999]

4 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

Your average flight simmer, has a T1600, or logitech x52. They never by panels, they don't have rudders. And for them. When they see one game give you a map and 10 flyable aircraft for less then 1 aircraft, 1 map and a required asset pack. It becomes a hard sell. 

 

Spot on. I'm one of those.

[motoadve]

Here is looking at it from the other side, have the planes, maps, WWII assets.

Creator makes Mosquito campaign saying no WII assets required, instant turn off,  I don't buy the campaign, don't want to shoot at modern Russian armor.

No one works for free, assets pack is high quality, and not too expensive , which can give you hundreds of hrs of enjoyment.

This hobby might seem expensive but the cost divided by the amount of hrs we use it, its one of the best bang for the buck hobbies.

[Ghostrider 147]

22 minutes ago, motoadve said:

Here is looking at it from the other side, have the planes, maps, WWII assets.

Creator makes Mosquito campaign saying no WII assets required, instant turn off,  I don't buy the campaign, don't want to shoot at modern Russian armor.

No one works for free, assets pack is high quality, and not too expensive , which can give you hundreds of hrs of enjoyment.

This hobby might seem expensive but the cost divided by the amount of hrs we use it, its one of the best bang for the buck hobbies.

I totally agree. Creating WWII missions with accurate and realistic AI units is a lot more fun than without. These 3D models don't create themselves and I'm more than happy to pay a little contribution! 

[KomandorAdam]

I hope the ships will have more advanced damage models than before?

[virgo47]

Just a question about the asset packs - is it just models or also AI? Or is it somehow limited by some "core AI"? Because my sense of immersion is much more destroyed when I see a bunch of army guys tackling a very difficult problem called "a fence" or even "going around a building", acting like idiots, really. In that moment, I just don't care whether they are a modern or WWII unit.

Sure, DCS planes also have bugs, often unattended for a decade, but at least they are the core experience. Too much stuff is deemed not important for years - even in planes - but when it comes to tech packs, it's another level. NS430 having no radio (although prominently mentioned on the shop page), CA is more of a gimmick with many quality issues, so maybe that's why my perception of anything beyond aircraft and maps (although... maps are also getting complicated) is a bit stained.

Don't worry, I'll likely buy it, but pardon my Stockholm syndrome. There is a reason for it.

Edited August 10 by virgo47

[ex81]

8 hours ago, Ghostrider 147 said:

 I'm more than happy to pay a little contribution! 

They work for us ! Of course I would pay some money for their work. Even a monthly fee would be all right.