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[Yurgon]

6 hours ago, Vakarian said:

If the instructor wishes to take time and explain why something works, sure, be my guest. But I'm really not a fan of this excessive talk and banter.

I'm sure you'll find that there is a lot to learn in these training missions that goes beyond "press button X, then press button Y".

Like BD said in the Youtube comments, the voice of the Instructor comes from a real life C-130 pilot, and knowing how BD works, there's a lot of SME input going into his missions in the first place.

6 hours ago, Vakarian said:

Hopefully I'll only have to to through them once to visualize the process and complement the rest with the manual.

The interactive checklists should be more than enough to learn and enjoy the module, even if you decide against doing the training missions.

But I hope that you'll actually enjoy the training missions. I think they're a great introduction to the module and you get an understanding of the flow of things in the cockpit. It's like watching a video on Youtube, except you actually get to perform the interaction yourself.

[Vakarian]

2 minutes ago, Yurgon said:

I'm sure you'll find that there is a lot to learn in these training missions that goes beyond "press button X, then press button Y".

Like BD said in the Youtube comments, the voice of the Instructor comes from a real life C-130 pilot, and knowing how BD works, there's a lot of SME input going into his missions in the first place.

 

Well, then the mission posted on YT wasn't indicative of that as most of the voice lines were useless banter between the instructor and pilot with pilot acknowledging the instruction and the let's be honest useless interaction with the loadmaster. As I mentioned in my first post, if that "chatter" was replaced with instructor explaining why a procedure is like it is or how it actually works IRL, I wouldn't have said a thing and I would have preferred such solution.

I'm not new neither here nor in DCS, just voicing my opinion that I don't like what I saw and why I don't like it.

With all that said, I will certainly go through the training missions once to get the visual flow and I learn stuff a lot easier when having some visual reference, but I don't think I'll go over such missions multiple times and for anything I didn't understand I'd rather use manual as then I can get to the information a lot quicker.

[Yurgon]

1 minute ago, Vakarian said:

With all that said, I will certainly go through the training missions once to get the visual flow and I learn stuff a lot easier when having some visual reference, but I don't think I'll go over such missions multiple times and for anything I didn't understand I'd rather use manual as then I can get to the information a lot quicker.

That's typically how I do it with every single DCS module.

[Wostg]

The entire training package is dressed like a campaign right. Could be great fun

Though I do hope it allows space-to-advance like most newer modules, for when you're on your 5th time around.

[Furia]

hace 1 hora, Vakarian dijo:

Well, then the mission posted on YT wasn't indicative of that as most of the voice lines were useless banter between the instructor and pilot with pilot acknowledging the instruction and the let's be honest useless interaction with the loadmaster. As I mentioned in my first post, if that "chatter" was replaced with instructor explaining why a procedure is like it is or how it actually works IRL, I wouldn't have said a thing and I would have preferred such solution.

I'm not new neither here nor in DCS, just voicing my opinion that I don't like what I saw and why I don't like it.

With all that said, I will certainly go through the training missions once to get the visual flow and I learn stuff a lot easier when having some visual reference, but I don't think I'll go over such missions multiple times and for anything I didn't understand I'd rather use manual as then I can get to the information a lot quicker.

Considering that the people that buys this module are not profesional aviators and that this aircraft may have a complexity that may surprise some here I do believe that this approach provides inmersion and makes the training session more attractive for a number of the customers.

IRL we do spend a lot of time in classrooms learning the theory before even stepping into the aircraft, there are hours of interaction between the instructor and the student about multiple aspects of the operation of different sistemas as well as the operacional methodology and standardized procedures. IRL you want to have an instructor that explains you the things properly and why and not just "press here, switch there". That generates a positive communicative environment and makes the student more comfortable and involved. At least this is how it was in my 31 years as a pilot (not C-130 rated)

Edited 17 hours ago by Furia

[Vakarian]

16 minutes ago, Furia said:

Considering that the people that buys this module are not profesional aviators and that this aircraft may have a complexity that may surprise some here I do believe that this approach provides inmersion and makes the training session more attractive for a number of the customers.

IRL we do spend a lot of time in classrooms learning the theory before even stepping into the aircraft, there are hours of interaction between the instructor and the student about multiple aspects of the operation of different sistemas as well as the operacional methodology and standardized procedures. IRL you want to have an instructor that explains you the things properly and why and not just "press here, switch there". That generates a positive communicative environment and makes the student more comfortable and involved. At least this is how it was in my 31 years as a pilot (not C-130 rated)

And how does this go against what I said? 

[Furia]

The "chatter" is part of the friendly cooperative atmosphere that the instructor creates to make the sessions effective. While there are many ways to do this kind of tutorials/training sessions in DCS, I found this one refreshing and immersive but again I have just seen a video and not the final product and until we do see the whole training "package" it is just about personal preferences. As I mentioned I have never flown a C-130 but in most aircraft, interaction with other crew members other than flight crew members is usual and it is actually part of the standard procedures so maybe interaction with the loadmaster during start up is required in the real operation.

Let's just be flexible and see what do they finally deliver.

[Vakarian]

Eh, you guys are talking about one thing, I'm talking about another. That's fine, after all it's just my personal opinion, no need for anyone to get upset about it. Just wanted to share my thoughts.

[Charrua]

I thought it was great, as far as I could see.
My problem is that I don't speak English. Like many of us who fly DCS, we have a simulator translated into Spanish, but the instruction is in English.

 

[dahui]

5 hours ago, Charrua said:

I thought it was great, as far as I could see.
My problem is that I don't speak English. Like many of us who fly DCS, we have a simulator translated into Spanish, but the instruction is in English.

 

I would leave it in English then, to learn it. The English in DCS is very simple (Like most Technical & Aviation English) It wont take long until you understand most of it. Start also watching a but of YT Videos in English with Subtitles. Thats how i learned it.

13 hours ago, Vakarian said:

And how does this go against what I said? 

I think he wanted to explain to you why Baltic did it how he did it. 

I also first try and error without any instruction or tutorial until i get mad after 45mins and then watch the videos or do the training missions. Im shure with the Checklist and Manual (which will hopefully released soon) you can learn most of it yourself in a quick way

IRL i also like to have my Instructors explain me why something is like it is. But as Furia wrote, the explanations of systems happens in the classroom during the groundcourse so it get efficient when youre in the cockpit. (Time is money in the civilian world)

 

 

[MAXsenna]

46 minutes ago, dahui said:

Start also watching a but of YT Videos in English with Subtitles. Thats how i learned it.

And this is how I learned English back long time ago. Norwegian subtitles, English audio on television. No subtitles on Sky Channel, only English audio.

Fast forward, got a daughter. Disney and Dreamworks DVDs. Started with Norwegian audio, then English, then Norwegian subtitles when she learned to read. Could understand English before starting school, and speak some.  

English is actually pretty easy. 50+%, French, (don't tell them suit on). The rest "German" and Viking.

Now I'm 50 plus, teaching myself Italian.