Launch Authorization override?

[BIGNEWY]

1 hour ago, AeriaGloria said:

No they should cool down from master arm. I have noticed there is a few second delay from locking from until missile is ready, they do take a second to “prepare” and BIT. There are other times it seemingly just doesn’t get LA and I sometimes switch missiles or modes trying to get it to lock 

Can you give me a short track replay example when you have time, I will ask the team. 

[lester]

7 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Please include a short track replay example so we can take a look. 

I have asked the team to also clarify about spool up times, but there was a fix for air starts already. 

Wasn't able to reproduce offline so far. There's some delay between reaching Rmax and getting launch authorization (due to jamming I guess), but I get it eventually.

mig29_heater_test_syria.trk

Edited November 12 by lester

[AeriaGloria]

14 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Can you give me a short track replay example when you have time, I will ask the team. 

Here. First example is primarily against helicopters, I don’t know if it’s intended but is most severe against them. 
 

Second includes mostly aircraft, where it’s more intermittent. Sometimes I lose lock after firing. Sometimes I can fire all missiles sometimes only 1. You can tell how many missiles are locked and ready by the numbers on the HUD above the lines representing the pylon. I know in some cases I was beyond range. But within 4 km against F-4/MiG-29/MiG-21 I believe I should have all aspect lock. 
 

I have another track that is less severe if these aren’t sufficient 

LATELA.trk LATELA3.trk

[Ironhand]

@BIGNEWY, not sure exactly what you’re requesting the tracks to demonstrate but…

Here are some TRK files that might be helpful. The 1 minute cool down starting after an air start is a thing. "MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T-TG Low Mach-Less Time" and "MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T-TG Low Mach-Less Time2" are the same track. The difference between them is that I opened "MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T-TG Low Mach-Less Time" in the ME and moved the F-15's start position closer to my MiG. In both, you get launch authorization 1 minute plus 2 seconds after mission start. 1 minute for the cool down. Then 2 seconds for the missile seeker to do its thing.

The other thing going on is the strength of the heat source. "MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T High Mach" results in launch authorization shortly after the R-Max kinematic range at 23 km. "MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T-TG Low Mach" results in launch authorization much later. The kinematic range is identical but authorization doesn't occur until the range closes to 8 km.

Just for fun, I then opened "MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T High Mach" in the ME and swapped out the R-27Ts for R-27ETs. As expected, the kinematic range is much greater but launch authorization is identical in "MiG-29 Fulcrum R-27ET" to "MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T High Mach".

MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T-TG Low Mach-Less Time.trk MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T-TG Low Mach-Less Time2.trk MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T High Mach.trk MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T-TG Low Mach.trk MiG-29 Fulcrum R-27ET.trk

Edited November 13 by Ironhand

[AeriaGloria]

3 hours ago, Ironhand said:

@BIGNEWY, not sure exactly what you’re requesting the tracks to demonstrate but…

Here are some TRK files that might be helpful. The 1 minute cool down starting after an air start is a thing. "MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T-TG Low Mach-Less Time" and "MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T-TG Low Mach-Less Time2" are the same track. The difference between them is that I opened "MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T-TG Low Mach-Less Time" in the ME and moved the F-15's start position closer to my MiG. In both, you get launch authorization 1 minute plus 2 seconds after mission start. 1 minute for the cool down. Then 2 seconds for the missile seeker to do its thing.

The other thing going on is the strength of the heat source. "MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T High Mach" results in launch authorization shortly after the R-Max kinematic range at 23 km. "MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T-TG Low Mach" results in launch authorization much later. The kinematic range is identical but authorization doesn't occur until the range closes to 8 km.

Just for fun, I then opened "MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T High Mach" in the ME and swapped out the R-27Ts for R-27ETs. As expected, the kinematic range is much greater but launch authorization is identical in "MiG-29 Fulcrum R-27ET" to "MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T High Mach".

MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T-TG Low Mach-Less Time.trk 51.78 kB · 0 downloads MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T-TG Low Mach-Less Time2.trk 50.98 kB · 0 downloads MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T High Mach.trk 88.05 kB · 0 downloads MiG-29A Fulcrum R-27T-TG Low Mach.trk 72.26 kB · 0 downloads MiG-29 Fulcrum R-27ET.trk 87.19 kB · 0 downloads

I also went over KOLS, R-27T/ET and R-73 seeker ranges in a video I made if you are interested, I also go over look down penalty, helicopters, etc 

 

KOLS is 

 

F-15/F-14

Head on-12 km, 26 km AB

Side: 16 km, 36 km AB

Rear: 20 km, AB, 43 km AB

F-4 slightly higher in Mil

 

F-18

 

Head on: 11 km. 24 km AB

Side: 14 km, 31 km AB

Rear: 19 km, 40 km ab

 

 

F-16

Head on: 10 km, 21 km ab

Side: 13 km, 29 km AB

Rear: 17 km, 35 km ab

 

Expect Mirage F-1 to be similar to F-18 in Mil and F-16 in burner

Expect Viggen/Tornado to be similar to F-16 in Mil and less range in AB. A-10 will need to be slightly closer then Mil F-16

 

Missiles are 

 

R-27T

F-15

Front: 7.5 km,, 22.5 AB

Side: 15, 45 km AB

Rear:22.5, 67.5 km AB

 

F-18

Front: 6 km, 18 km, AB

Side: 12 km, 36 km, AB

Rear: 18 km, 54 km, AB

 

F-16

Front: 5 km, 15 km

Side: 10 km, 30 km AB

Rear: 15, 45 km AB

 

 

R-73:

 

F-15

Front: 6 km, 18 km AB

Side: 12 km, 36 km AB

Rear: 18 km, 54 km AB

 

 

F-18:

Front: 5 km, 15 km AB

Side: 10 km, 30 km AB

Rear: 15 km, 45 km AB

 

F-16

Front: 4 km, 12 km AB

Side: 8 km, 24 km AB

Rear: 12 km, 36 km

 

 

[AeriaGloria]

@BIGNEWY I apologize I forgot about 1 minute cooldown in my tracks. Please disregard any engagements before the first minute passes 

 

Edited November 13 by AeriaGloria

[Ironhand]

18 hours ago, AeriaGloria said:

I also went over KOLS, R-27T/ET and R-73 seeker ranges in a video I made if you are interested, I also go over look down penalty, helicopters, etc 

 

KOLS is 

 

F-15/F-14

Head on-12 km, 26 km AB

Side: 16 km, 36 km AB

Rear: 20 km, AB, 43 km AB

F-4 slightly higher in Mil

 

F-18

 

Head on: 11 km. 24 km AB

Side: 14 km, 31 km AB

Rear: 19 km, 40 km ab

 

 

F-16

Head on: 10 km, 21 km ab

Side: 13 km, 29 km AB

Rear: 17 km, 35 km ab

 

Expect Mirage F-1 to be similar to F-18 in Mil and F-16 in burner

Expect Viggen/Tornado to be similar to F-16 in Mil and less range in AB. A-10 will need to be slightly closer then Mil F-16

 

Missiles are 

 

R-27T

F-15

Front: 7.5 km,, 22.5 AB

Side: 15, 45 km AB

Rear:22.5, 67.5 km AB

 

F-18

Front: 6 km, 18 km, AB

Side: 12 km, 36 km, AB

Rear: 18 km, 54 km, AB

 

F-16

Front: 5 km, 15 km

Side: 10 km, 30 km AB

Rear: 15, 45 km AB

 

 

R-73:

 

F-15

Front: 6 km, 18 km AB

Side: 12 km, 36 km AB

Rear: 18 km, 54 km AB

 

 

F-18:

Front: 5 km, 15 km AB

Side: 10 km, 30 km AB

Rear: 15 km, 45 km AB

 

F-16

Front: 4 km, 12 km AB

Side: 8 km, 24 km AB

Rear: 12 km, 36 km

 

 

Excellent!

[Ironhand]

On 11/12/2025 at 6:09 AM, BIGNEWY said:

…but there was a fix for air starts already. 

Just noticed this. If there was a fix, it’s been unfixed. My installation is up to date but the issue remains and is demonstrated in the first two TRK files I posted above. It would be most helpful to have it fixed again.