Sling Load Additions

[Devil 505]

@BIGNEWY @NineLine

Any chance there has been talk or anything in the works to be able to sling load vehicles in the Chinook anytime soon?  Would really like the capability to carry the M113, Vulcan, and a few other light vehicles for our server to be used with combined arms. 

[jeventy26]

4 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

None CH-47 can carry a M113, Vulcan, IFV or APC on sling, that is not realistic. In theory a CH-47 can carry some HMMVW or a 155mm artillery towed on Sling.

 

They can lift M113's...
 

[NineLine]

Hey@Devil 505, such sling loading would be more of a DCS core feature rather than one for the CH-47 alone. Currently, the Chinook development is focused on finishing the native modes of the DAFGCS, and then the next big thing should be a new multi-rope system. This has already started on the engineering side of development. Thanks.

[Devil 505]

12 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

None CH-47 can carry a M113, Vulcan, IFV or APC on sling, that is not realistic. In theory a CH-47 can carry some HMMVW or a 155mm artillery towed on Sling.

For someone who represents officially/unofficially posting for Eagle Dynamics on their unofficial road map, I would expect a little more research on your behalf before making a comment such as the above.  You may not work for or officially post FOR ED, but that is how it is perceived on the first few pages of the ED road map forum. Saying something like you did above could be perceived by someone with less experience than myself as accurate.

You are of course very false in your assumption.  The reason I posted the question was because Chinooks absolutely carried M113's and Vulcans during the Vietnam war from one place to another.  I want to implement this same function into a mission I am building for the boys.  It is very realistic/authentic and would have taken you googling CH-47 Sling Loading M113 to find photos of it.  The Chinook carries a wide variety of vehicles you are probably unaware of and could be utilized to carry numerous things in DCS other than just artillery and jeeps.

 

 

[Mistermann]

Thank you for your "passion and support", Devil.  

 

[Devil 505]

2 hours ago, Mistermann said:

Thank you for your "passion and support", Devil.  

[Devil 505]

1 hour ago, Silver_Dragon said:

To hell with realism, just for a photo...

@BIGNEWY @Wags @NineLine Should probably find someone who interacts with your customer basis better if they are going to represent ED by presenting your information on the Road Map.  Especially since wags just bragged about your renewed standards on how you approach bringing on third party devs and people to represent ED to include their social media posts and how they behave with people on the forums and others.  This is not the first time SD has jumped in with wild accusations and sierra talk when he was proven wrong.  I will accept my firm response to him above as a provocative measure, but he consistently likes to antagonize and kick the hornets' nest with unfounded opinions and what clearly appears to be a lack of real-world experience, which I have plenty of. Just sayin. 

[Devil 505]

10 hours ago, NineLine said:

Hey@Devil 505, such sling loading would be more of a DCS core feature rather than one for the CH-47 alone. Currently, the Chinook development is focused on finishing the native modes of the DAFGCS, and then the next big thing should be a new multi-rope system. This has already started on the engineering side of development. Thanks.

Prior to the above drama (admittedly I somewhat created, I will stop) thanks for the heads up Nineline.  Good to know this is in the works.  Looking forward to it and I appreciate the response.   

[Marsvinet]

A stripped down M113 is well within the limits of a CH-47F and D, but earlier version I am not so sure about. A and B version very quite weak compared to the later versions so I would really doubt that it actually happened in Vietnam. But for DCS purposes, it should be possible.

[Marsvinet]

1 hour ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Devil... Have you noticed that in your photos, most of the equipment in this heavy load is disassembled and lightened? It seems you don't understand my points... Can you carry that load? Yes, you can. It's normally carried in a CH-47F... No, it isn't, because that equipment is normally transported by other means (a M113 or other equipment has loaded on heavy-load flatbeds or tank transports by land). This same discussion took place regarding carrying helicopters in FARPS with a transport equipment has carried disasembled, and will take hours or days inoperative... but we all know how multiplayer servers work... performing "magic" with assault operations using equipment that will never be used in said operation. 

You want to carry an M113 (27205 lbs) on a sling in a CH-47F? Okay, take the CH-47's performance chart and see what range the helicopter will have with that load and under what conditions it will be done, and how that equipment will get from point A to point B. 

A old CH-47D load chart.

Which M113 version are you basing that weight on? Because there a stupid amount of versions of it. I have seen weights from just over 20000lbs up to ~35000lbs depending on version, country and upgrades. Also, that chart for the CH-47D is quite misleading in the context, note that it is for 95degf/35degc at 4000ft, which are less than optimal conditions. No doubt that a heavy weight like an APC will cut range for a tactical lift, but no need to use the worst possible case. Also, transport on truck is not a tactical way to move a vehicle but for transport far behind frontlines, a Chinook lift would probably fall into the tactical movement around the frontline.

[Devil 505]

6 hours ago, Marsvinet said:

A stripped down M113 is well within the limits of a CH-47F and D, but earlier version I am not so sure about. A and B version very quite weak compared to the later versions so I would really doubt that it actually happened in Vietnam. But for DCS purposes, it should be possible.

Appreciate you jumping in my friend.  Sounds like you have a lot more experience on the old girl than me so I will defer to that.  I had done some research on this prior to posting because I wanted to make sure it was actually done during the Vietnam war.  I will take what I read with a grain of salt because it was online and not in a book.  I do have a few Vietnam book references where they were lifting what appeared to be APC's, but I could be mistaken.  Appreciate you jumping in and providing your insight and experience.  Look forward to our version in DCS being able to do this in the future.