tflash Posted October 11, 2009 Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) Suppose you were in a third-world conflict, eg somewhere in central africa, and you needed a classic strike fighter? I mean strike / ground attack, not specialized CAS or COIN. So essentially some bombing, rocket and gun strafing work, low-to-medium in visual conditions. Although the Russian gear is quite obvious, as you would unsurprisingly match your Hind and Hip with Su-25 or Mig-27. But what about 3rd generation Western fighters? I see following contenders: - Mirage III and derivatives (Cheetah, ...) - Mirage 5/50 and derivatives (Dagger, Pantera, Mara, Elkan, Finger, ...) - IAI KFir - Mirage F1 - F-5 - Skyhawk - A-7 Corsair II - first generation Harrier - Jaguar I guess my pick would be the Kfir, which has a substantial track record, good speed and decent payload. Jaguar might come second. But maybe I forgot about some valid alternatives? Edited October 11, 2009 by tflash added image [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Kuky Posted October 11, 2009 Posted October 11, 2009 Yugoslavia/Romania made J-22 Orao PC specs: Windows 11 Home | Asus TUF Gaming B850-Plus WiFi | AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D + LC 360 AIO | MSI RTX 5090 LC 360 AIO | 55" Samsung Odyssey Gen 2 | 64GB PC5-48000 DDR5 | 1TB M2 SSD for OS | 2TB M2 SSD for DCS | NZXT C1000 Gold ATX 3.1 1000W | TM Cougar Throttle, Floor Mounted MongoosT-50 Grip on TM Cougar board, MFG Crosswind, Track IR
tflash Posted October 11, 2009 Author Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) O yes, I forgot all about the Orao: good pick! Edited October 11, 2009 by tflash [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
topol-m Posted October 11, 2009 Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) If i have to chose between 3rd gen. strike aircraft i`m definitely picking Mitsubishi F-1. It is fast, has a great variety of payload - bombs (including guided ones), rockets, long range anti-ship missiles, etc. :weight_lift_2: Edit: Not that anyone in the "third world" has F-1s but nonetheless that`s what i would have used if i had a choice. Edited October 11, 2009 by topol-m [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Force_Feedback Posted October 12, 2009 Posted October 12, 2009 Saab Viggen Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Zulu Posted October 12, 2009 Posted October 12, 2009 Edit: Not that anyone in the "third world" has F-1s but nonetheless that`s what i would have used if i had a choice. Well I agree that not many third world country's has F-1s but during the 80's South Africa(though I wouldnt exactly call us 3rd world) did and they worked very well in taking out coloumns of T-55s etc. I would also recommend the Aermacci MB-326 or as we called it the Impala. It was a steady gun platform and had a large payload. Only one was ever shot down after hundreds of CAS missions To INVENT an Airplane is Nothing. To BUILD One is Something. But to FLYis EVERYTHING. - Otto Lilienthal [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
topol-m Posted October 12, 2009 Posted October 12, 2009 Well I agree that not many third world country's has F-1s but during the 80's South Africa(though I wouldnt exactly call us 3rd world) did and they worked very well in taking out coloumns of T-55s etc. I would also recommend the Aermacci MB-326 or as we called it the Impala. It was a steady gun platform and had a large payload. Only one was ever shot down after hundreds of CAS missions Don`t confuse Mirage F-1 with Mitsubishi F-1 ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Zulu Posted October 12, 2009 Posted October 12, 2009 ahh my bad To INVENT an Airplane is Nothing. To BUILD One is Something. But to FLYis EVERYTHING. - Otto Lilienthal [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
tflash Posted October 12, 2009 Author Posted October 12, 2009 Mirage F1 certainly is a plane with a serious "African" pedigree! Very precise, very stable and fast at low level. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
joey45 Posted October 12, 2009 Posted October 12, 2009 Jaguar. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
Vekkinho Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 Jaguar...but with limited funds I'd say Pucara. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
tflash Posted October 14, 2009 Author Posted October 14, 2009 The Jaguar GR3A had it all: "The upgraded Jaguar GR3A (also known as Jaguar 97) introduced fleet-wide TIALD LDP compatibility, provision for the EO GP1 (JRP) digital reconnaissance pod, a helmet mounted sight, a glass cockpit with a large AMLCD display and a new HUD, a new hand controller and stick top, GPS, TERPROM Terrain Referenced Navigation, an Improved Data Modem datalink, and improved Night vision goggles compatibility." (from Wikipedia) It is just beyond belief that UK ditched this aircraft. India is sticking to it, for many good reasons! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Force_Feedback Posted October 15, 2009 Posted October 15, 2009 The Jaguar GR3A had it all: "The upgraded Jaguar GR3A (also known as Jaguar 97) introduced fleet-wide TIALD LDP compatibility, provision for the EO GP1 (JRP) digital reconnaissance pod, a helmet mounted sight, a glass cockpit with a large AMLCD display and a new HUD, a new hand controller and stick top, GPS, TERPROM Terrain Referenced Navigation, an Improved Data Modem datalink, and improved Night vision goggles compatibility." (from Wikipedia) It is just beyond belief that UK ditched this aircraft. India is sticking to it, for many good reasons! Until you have a hydraulics failure and can't lower the flaps... Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
tflash Posted October 15, 2009 Author Posted October 15, 2009 OK, it needs a loooooooong runway, but mishaps occur with any aircraft. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
joey45 Posted October 15, 2009 Posted October 15, 2009 not that long surely.. The reason is the defence budget got cut, the Tiffy and F35 is replacing it along with the Tornado and Harrier. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
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