BIS and ED cooperation?

[Dudikoff]

I don't know about ArmA2 since I haven't purchased it yet, but ArmA was such a hilarious disaster it really set standards for bugginess that are only narrowly competed for by Empire: Total War and Stalker. :P

 

Well, OFP was as buggy as ArmA, but it was fixed and still being played today. Same for F4. Stalker was also fixed and with some user mods, is one of the better games I ever played.

 

Thus, I don't see an initial buggy release as a showstopper as long as the basic product shows great promise and has the publisher's support to iron out the bugs.

[EtherealN]

It's not a showstopper for those that know the product beforehand, but it's something that can seriously affect reviews and thereby affect the purchasing decisions of those who aren't already part of the community.

[Legolasindar]

ED+BIS is not a dream, is a hell. If BIS enter to the DCS, this great simulator fall down. BIS is not a serious company, open eyes people, BIS is a factory of Bugs, not innove, not listen to the clients, not optimize games.

 

I see the future:

BIS enter to the DCS. ED/BIS launch DCS:Su27, this "game" have 890 bugs, 40 critical, next generation PC cant run more of 20 FPS, Su27 is same of Lockon, not have clickable cockpit, not have 3D cockpit, not have advanced radar, not have modelled avionic. Multiplayer is unplayable, all time game is lagged ande desyncronized, ED/BIS launch 30 patchs, this patch only fix 200 bugs, and add 400 more. ED/BIS launch DCS:M1A1, this new version add simple model of the Abrams, not have FCS, not have 3D cickable cockpit, only add new "amazing" graphics to DCS series, with 570 bugs more, and FPS fall to 10. ED/BIS make a video where scoff how we have sold the same crap over and over again. And ED/BIS launch DCS:Su27 2, this game only have improved graphics, not innove, not add anything, my computer explodes when try run this crap.

 

This is the future if BIS work with ED.

Edited October 23, 2009 by Legolasindar

[joey45]

Lego - complain on the BIS forums about the aircrafts and their games then, not here...

 

then they can tell you that it may be a sim but it is not a flight sim. The planes in Ofp and ArmA 1/2 are not only designed to be flown with a joystick [in this case being a flight sim forum a HOTAS] but primarly with a Mouse and keyboard.

Edited October 23, 2009 by joey45

[EtherealN]

And remember that this is unsourced speculation.

 

Also, even if they are actually co-operating on something, it might not even be a retail product. It might be that both have military contracts and they've been asked to make their offerings there compatible with each other. F.ex to let A10 pilots practice CAS with "real" infantrymen who are also undergoing training.

 

Or, maybe it's just unsourced speculation. ;)

[joey45]

BIS has VBS 1/2 to train INFATRY i.e. dry training to save tax payers money in blank and live ammo, and sometimes clothing [personal experiance]

 

ED has their contracts to train PILOTS to save tax payers money in feul and flying hours for aircrafts.

[Legolasindar]

Lego - complain on the BIS forums about the aircrafts and their games then, not here...

 

then they can tell you that it may be a sim but it is not a flight sim. The planes in Ofp and ArmA 1/2 are not only designed to be flown with a joystick [in this case being a flight sim forum a HOTAS] but primarly with a Mouse and keyboard.

You read the title of the topic? This is about BIS (ArmA/OFP) work with ED.

So all my arguments are perfectly valid. I'm talking about the problems for DCS of the union of ED and BIS, not only about the games of BIS, reread posts please.

[jctrnacty]

to legolasindar

 

ED+BIS is not a dream, is a hell. If BIS enter to the DCS, this great simulator fall down. BIS is not a serious company, open eyes people, BIS is a factory of Bugs, not innove, not listen to the clients, not optimize games.

 

 

This is the future if BIS work with ED.

 

I think you are comical, i don´t want to punish you or make an ass of you. But your post reminds me group of people who are playing pirated game with slow computer, they whine, whine and cry like small kids because their unpatched game without latest crack is buggy and slow because their computer is slow piece of sh.. but they say....hey look crysis is runnig fine. People like you should use something called brain and realize that game with almost unlimited capabilities like arma 2 has is in the begining buggy. There still isnt a game that has such big world and amount of units displayable and playable on PC. Even codemasters had to limit amount of units in mission to max 64. Arma 2 has hundreds of them at one time.

 

So please don´t polute these forums with such a funny post of yours.

 

I said in my post they (BIS and ED) could share their knowledge and abilities.....this means they could exchange 3d models, military data and other things relevant to what they are best at.

 

Done with you

 

P.S:

Edited October 23, 2009 by jctrnacty

[joey45]

You read the title of the topic? This is about BIS (ArmA/OFP) work with ED.

So all my arguments are perfectly valid. I'm talking about the problems for DCS of the union of ED and BIS, not only about the games of BIS, reread posts please.

 

you were talking about BIS over ED not ED over BIS.

[Legolasindar]

jctrnacty, is tipicall you defend BIS, both is Czech. But i not an ass, and i have original copy of ArmA 2, ArmA 1, and all OFP serie (excluding OFP2). If you can not hold a conversation of adults, avoid insults of kid.

 

joey45, im talk about BID+ED or ED+BIS, is the same, not change my words.

[joey45]

You was talking about BIS being in charge over ED not the other way round.

[ARM505]

This is an argument about a never-to-happen rumour. In fact, even calling it a rumour is paying it a compliment. Why don't we all just chill? Whilst I would love a DCS:BS, ARMA II, and Steel Beasts combo, the resources, and return on investment (this is a capitalist society, remember) just makes the idea utterly unfeasible. It won't happen.

[Hunt3r.j2]

Most likely this would be something like combining VBS 2 and DCS via GUI interfaces.

 

Basically, you'd be able to switch between DCS and VBS 2 on the fly.

[GGTharos]

Most likely, it would be something that isn't going to happen. ;)

[EtherealN]

Four pages and counting of fear and ranting for a single mention of something someone remembers reading somewhere at some point.

 

I love the internet. :D

[joey45]

Four pages and counting of fear and ranting for a single mention of something someone remembers reading somewhere at some point.

 

I love the internet. :D

 

me too.

[SUBS17]

Most likely, it would be something that isn't going to happen. ;)

 

Yeah ideally you want a sim built from the ground up with that in mind the best would be a Global map with sims combined.

[Cyb0rg]

This thread made me curious about this Arma2 thing.. donwloading now at 2.3MB/s :music_whistling:

[Total]

Ignore the flight models in ArmA2. From OFP thru to now, they've never been realistic. But, they also were made for people who don't have joysticks to be able to at least get from point A to point B.

 

The latest patches have cleared up many of the bugs. ArmA2 was released in a far better state than ArmA was released in. ArmA2 was almost bug free in comparison to ArmA LOL!

 

ArmA2 focuses more on the ground battles.

 

Also, as a mission maker, I can tell you that alot of the flaws come in the mission scripting, not in the game itself. While there are some flaws in the game, most errors I see are made by the mission makers in the scripting. Custom missions are always a trial and error process though, so don't let it wrap you up too badly. I have a mission right now that will get to a certain point and CTD those who try to join. Still debugging just what is causing that and having firgured it out yet.

[RHK111]

Most likely, it would be something that isn't going to happen. ;)

 

AMEN

 

Salu2

[joey45]

Also, as a mission maker, I can tell you that alot of the flaws come in the mission scripting, not in the game itself. While there are some flaws in the game, most errors I see are made by the mission makers in the scripting. Custom missions are always a trial and error process though, so don't let it wrap you up too badly. I have a mission right now that will get to a certain point and CTD those who try to join. Still debugging just what is causing that and having firgured it out yet.

 

If you have too many scripts then it does go a bit werid. You could go as far as calling it a sandbox. But with the flaws it is a very good game..... in MP.

 

With loads of 3rd party stuff [being very mod friendly] it's even better.