Cheating

[GGTharos]

Yeah, because being a ground sniffing weaselhen is better ;)

 

Not CHEATERS, they're called ASTRONAUT CHICKENS. :smilewink:

[159th_Viper]

Yeah, because being a ground sniffing weaselhen is better ;)

 

Knockin' the Bomber-Boys again, GG........:chair:

 

Don't let me Post the Top Gun Clip again..........

 

 

Story about some Fighter Pilots

 

 

Oops.......Sorry: Too Late :P

[GGTharos]

No, I was talking about the under 10m-ground-sniffing fighter pilots this time ...

 

Knockin' the Bomber-Boys again, GG........:chair:

 

Don't let me Post the Top Gun Clip again..........

 

 

Story about some Fighter Pilots

 

 

Oops.......Sorry: Too Late :P

[BrumTx]

We have one pilot BrumTX just saying that.

 

 

Believe it or not I prefer to make missions, sometime I'll start uploading to one of the LO/FC sites... Over 2500 last time I looked, but Tomcatz does have a point no matter how you look at it.

Edited October 23, 2009 by BrumTx
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[DArt]

I am the LotATC developper (see here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=46089 ). I use the LUA to get all needed information in order to make ATC available for LockOn. I agree with you, the LUA can make cheating easy and with LotATC we can get lot of information if you want to use it to cheat. It is not the aim of this software. I develop it for my team where we use it to add lot of immersion with ATC and approach/ground controller. The game with controllers is really better and complex...

 

Now I have this problem of my software possibly helping to cheat, I am totally against it. Therefore I am currently searching for a solution to avoid it. (I have a way to test for next versions).

 

So, LUA is not only for cheating, but also to add more immersion and reality like into LockOn... Perhaps, ED can make a mechanism to allow software like LotATC by using some security system. I think about a generated key to identify server. LotATC running on the server get the LockOn multiplayer game key and all client compare the LotATC server key with their current LockOn client key. If they are the same, all is ok, if not, it is an unwanted LotATC session, and will not work... can be a solution.

Edited October 25, 2009 by DArt

[golfsierra2]

Maybe it would be possible to generate a check value for a client export.lua, like MD5 hash values are used to verify an original file.

 

An export.lua with the TacView option would give a certain value in return, whilst a modified export.lua will give back a different value, indicating a modification, which then will block this client from the server.

 

A 'safe list' of modified export.luas could be created, and all others would be considered as 'unsafe'.

 

This 'checking' tool should run on all HL servers.

Edited October 24, 2009 by golfsierra2

[Case]

As for the future I won`t join any servers wich using modifications. Graphic mods should be okay- the rest is bullshit! Who is not able to use the given options by LOMAC can switch to other simulations ... Maybe. Some of some called "modifications" simply destroy LockOn and hurt the community!!!

If by modifications you are referring to LRM, I strongly suggest you reread Yoda's posts on LRM and GGTharos his post in this thread.

 

One of the reasons for using LRM is that it prevents clients to run LUA scripts locally! The LRM code that is enforced from the server runs server side copies of Tacview, LO Virtual Panel, and other things. On these servers, clients can no longer run their own LUA programs by including them in export.lua!

 

You are completely wrong by suggesting that the LRM mod enhances cheating. It is exactly the opposite, it stops people from using their own LUA scripts to cheat!

 

On any server that does not run LRM but has exports enabled, pilots can use Tacview on a second monitor to cheat, use ECM scripts to prevent blinking, and who knows what not.

 

What you are suggesting is just complete nonsense if it concerns LRM.

[GGTharos]

This makes no sense for LOFC+LRM. It makes sense if you wish to allow things external to export.lua, then you run those addons if they match the hash. The export.lua itself that runs from LRM does not require such protection.

 

Maybe it would be possible to generate a check value for a client export.lua, like MD5 hash values are used to verify an original file.

 

An export.lua with the TacView option would give a certain value in return, whilst a modified export.lua will give back a different value, indicating a modification, which then will block this client from the server.

 

A 'safe list' of modified export.luas could be created, and all others would be considered as 'unsafe'.

 

This 'checking' tool should run on all HL servers.

[Case]

Hear hear!

 

It is just silly when people have to start calling others cheaters because they got shot down and can't explain it. Instead of learning from the engagement and improve their flying skills, they think they are already Tom Cruise and hence the other guy must be cheating.

[159th_Viper]

....Instead of learning from the engagement and improve their flying skills.....

 

Or become a Toad-Pilot.......After a while you become Immune to the Clubbing and it does'nt hurt Nearly as much :D

[monotwix]

CCCP don’t cheat, they take Migs head on.

[golfsierra2]

Hear hear!

 

It is just silly when people have to start calling others cheaters because they got shot down and can't explain it. Instead of learning from the engagement and improve their flying skills, they think they are already Tom Cruise and hence the other guy must be cheating.

 

Is this a general statement or do you have something specific in mind ?

[GGTharos]

It is a general, and accurate statement. A lot of meaningless cheating accusations keep getting belted out. ;)

[Case]

Or become a Toad-Pilot.......After a while you become Immune to the Clubbing and it does'nt hurt Nearly as much :D

I am a toad pilot! :music_whistling:

 

Is this a general statement or do you have something specific in mind ?

Yes, getting called a cheater because my wingman told me there was bandit on my flank... The bandit whined that at 20 clicks I couldn't have known he was there and that hence I must've been cheating. Instead, my squadmate who was some 50 clicks behind me had him clearly on scope and guided me to the bandit while covering my back when I extended.

[GGTharos]

Come on Case admit it. You obviously used LRM/Tacview/LOTATC. No one has wingmen, especially ones that cover your back or tell you anything ;)

[Case]

Honestly, solid teamwork is the best defence against any cheat.

[JimMack]

In Black Shark there are a number of anti-cheat features.

For those playing multiplayer Black Shark, have you discovered cheating?

[Vekkinho]

I remember a guy bitching on me cause I shot him down with R-27R, he was flying A-10A but my poor ol' N019 can't discriminate a Hog from an Eagle.

 

On the other hand he was Blue and that's reason good enough! Kapitalist bastard killing my tanker comrades!

 

LOL!

[Pilotasso]

Honestly' date=' solid teamwork is the best defence against any cheat.[/quote']

 

your thinking has one flaw: nothing stops exploiters from forming up teams as well. ;)

[golfsierra2]

your thinking has one flaw: nothing stops exploiters forming up teams as well. ;)

 

Can you read my mind ? :smilewink:

[Teknetinium]

your thinking has one flaw: nothing stops exploiters from forming up teams as well. ;)

 

 

That's the thoughts single pilot get after a while facing good teamwork.

[golfsierra2]

I remember a guy bitching on me cause I shot him down with R-27R, he was flying A-10A but my poor ol' N019 can't discriminate a Hog from an Eagle.

 

On the other hand he was Blue and that's reason good enough! Kapitalist bastard killing my tanker comrades!

 

LOL!

 

Well done, Vekkinho, well done !!

[Vekkinho]

Well done, Vekkinho, well done !!

 

What?!

 

Are U being sarcastic here?!

 

Things like this happen IRL too!

[golfsierra2]

What?!

 

Are U being sarcastic here?!

 

Things like this happen IRL too!

 

I wouldn't dare....

[Frostie]

your thinking has one flaw: nothing stops exploiters from forming up teams as well. ;)

I don't think you've followed the thread properly Pilotasso.

Stay on topic are you talking about just madogging as usual or basically where this thread has come from 'LRM is a cheat' even though LRM tries to stop exploiters. What TOMCATZ is claiming is that people disappear, change missile behaviour, changing G-limits etc and he bases this on LRM being used in servers.

Quite absurd.