Ultimate challenge: Defeating the mighty Carl Vinson

[Waldo_II]

I have tried many a times to defeat this mighty beast. Even with multiple groups of four Ka-50s, my attacks are consistently in vain. My vikhrs barely scratch the paint, my bombs land only on the ocean surface, and whenever I get close enough for guns, the bright yellow tracers from the mighty Phalanx blot out the sun. Don't get me started on the surface-to-air missiles.

 

Has this feat ever been accomplished? Has anybody ever seen the Carl Vinson sink? I am beginning to believe it to be impossible.

[159th_Falcon]

If the phalanx system is the problem its gonna be a simple question of numbers.

The phalanx was a good system for its days but nowadays its absolute, it can only track one target at a time i believe. So come in numbers to make sure the phalanx system gets overloaded. Then all ya need to do is hit it whit the right type of bombs/missiles (KH25 might do the trick?)

[sinelnic]

Try Kh-25s... If you´re going to try to sink her with Vikhrs or guns, you might as well land on her with a screwdriver and a six-pack...

[Waldo_II]

Kh-25s haven't proven to be effective either, although they deserve another go. This weekend when I have time I'll be attempting some high-altitude bombing and more Kh-25 engagements, although I doubt that my mere two missiles will have a large enough effect to bring Carl down.

[Speed_2]

Well, you can always put the ammo on infinite and see just how many missiles it really does take.

[Martillo1]

Use the rigth tool for the job, and the Ka-50 isn't.

[Waldo_II]

Use the rigth tool for the job, and the Ka-50 isn't.

 

I've got a screw to hold together a house, but only a hammer to put it in place.

[wickedpenguin]

Try sending a flock of B-1s after it, see how they fare. Can you loadout the Lancers with cruise missiles?

[nemises]

8 KA50's loaded with KH25s ?

[EinsteinEP]

Put a couple nukes inboard with some AIM-9Xs outboard for some A/A protection. ;)

[26-J39]

If you are hell bent on destroying it for the sake of saying you have destroyed it..:)

In ME load your KA50 right on top off the Vinson @ 6000 meters.. and drop all 4 FAB-500's at once.. :D Does work :P

[159th_Viper]

If you are hell bent on destroying it for the sake of saying you have destroyed it..:)

In ME load your KA50 right on top off the Vinson @ 6000 meters.. and drop all 4 FAB-500's at once.. :D Does work :P

 

:D

 

Who would have guessed that Bombs are more effecive than Moskits. What a Strange Virtual World we Inhabit..........:music_whistling:

[sobek]

Btw. the other day i tried to sink a formation of 3 ships (carl vinson, Oliver H. Perry and Ticonderoga) with cruise missiles and them kinda things. Had 1 4-ship of Su-34s, 1 4-Ship Su-24, 1 Tu-22M, and one Tu-142 atack with their respective anti-ship missiles/cruise missiles. Must have been close to 30 Missiles being fired at the 3 ships. And if the atack was not well coordinated (the missiles not all approaching the target at the same time), those 3 ships shot nearly all missiles down (just 3 or 4 hits, worst case). Are cruise missiles really that ineffective/defense mechanisms that effective?

 

What struck me most was the effectiveness of the phalanx system, especially on the Ticonderoga it's brutally effective because it sits right above the point where the missiles strike, so it has only got to shoot straight and not strafe with the missile. Aren't modern cruise missiles programmed to fly a zig zag pattern right before they hit (to lessen the phalanx PK)?

Edited November 6, 2009 by sobek

[Grimes]

I did something like that in Lock On, you really have to saturate the suckers pretty heavily. It helps to throw in a few naval ships that launch cruise missiles also. But if you are gonna do it from the air, you are gonna need at least 2 to 4 more 4 ships. You can probably get away with less if you forgo realism and launch "Operation: Human Shield" by giving all of the AI "fly over" points near the ships to act as a little cannon fodder.

[Warbird_242]

Tornado IDS and Sea Eagles seem to work well. Make sure you launch a lot though

[WhiskeyJuliet]

I think Vinson has four or five Phalanx systems, each with their own fire control radar, so you're still up againt a potent threat - they were designed to defend against umbrella Soviet ASM strikes remember. So I don't know if it would be possible even with multiple KA-50 flights. You really need to hit her below the waterline as it will take forever to cripple her by firing into the flanks and flight deck, and I don't know if Vikhrs could cut that mustard. Rockets sue as hell couldn't do enough damage below the waterline. However all this is based on my knowlege of teh real world versions, but I'm willing to go with it becaue DCS is so accurate.

 

Still, if it burns, there must be some way to kill it.

[sobek]

You really need to hit her below the waterline as it will take forever to cripple her by firing into the flanks and flight deck, and I don't know if Vikhrs could cut that mustard. Rockets sue as hell couldn't do enough damage below the waterline. However all this is based on my knowlege of teh real world versions, but I'm willing to go with it becaue DCS is so accurate.

 

Ship damage models are not that accurate, i think. That is, you can sink it with cruise missile hits above the surface.

[WhiskeyJuliet]

Ah fair enough. I suppose it would have added alot of extra work for something that would happen rarely in game.