Who in the Lomac Community uses radar Automization?

[Pilotasso]

I have only mini stick to swivel my head in a dogfight, its sufficient but granted theres, a slight disadvantage, until the track IR goes haywire during the mission that is :D

[Frostie]

I think the key words here are 'enhancing' and 'changing'.

HOTAS, TIR, Steering wheels, TS, Ventrilo, bigger screens, etc. all 'enhance' your gaming experience, its still the same game.

Whats being suggested here is literally 'game changing'.

[Grimes]

I think the key words here are 'enhancing' and 'changing'.

HOTAS, TIR, Steering wheels, TS, Ventrilo, bigger screens, etc. all 'enhance' your gaming experience, its still the same game.

Whats being suggested here is literally 'game changing'.

 

 

What he said :thumbup:

[Kuky]

Total made good point about extra number of screens, in game F-15C has 1 MFD and RWR... if I was in F-15C and was asked for BRAA from 1 I'd have to switch to nav mode, drop radar picture, tell the BRAA then switch back to radar mode... it takes time and if in fight it's not very advisable to do so... now with LEAVU you can do this no problem, much quicker, even if you are engaging someone already ;)

 

Maximus, if you say it's definitely not an aim-boot because if it was all the missiles you fired would hit, that's no argument at all. If you fire way too far even if radar points and locks at the target missile will miss because you fired too far... LEAVU doesn't enhance/add anything to the missile modeling, it enhances/add more functions to the radar... also LEAVU data link allows you to see contacts that are on your 6 which is not possible in game... you get the point?

Edited April 5, 2010 by Kuky

[RvEYoda]

Total made good point about extra number of screens, in game F-15C has 1 MFD and RWR... if I was in F-15C and was asked for BRAA from 1 I'd have to switch to nav mode, drop radar picture, tell the BRAA then switch mach to radar mode... it takes time and if in fighet it's not very advisable to do so... now with LEAVU you can do this no problem, much quicker, even if you are engaging someone already ;)

 

Game limitation, real AC has working nav systems in all modes, and you don't lose lock

on target in the real AC either by switching to NAV mode.

[Kuky]

That's fine Yoda but in this sim that's not like that... so anyone flying stock sim will not be able to do this, people using LEAVU will be able and more. That is the difference.

[Maximus]

Heh, Keep argure as you want. Keep in mind. there is ALOT of features in APG-63 radar that are MISSING from Flaming Cliff's F15C's agp-63 verison, that because contents are still CLASSIFELD. I could imagine that is WAY beyond what APG63 radar technology is able to do stuffs.

 

I find it very Sad that you just automatic accuse it is a aimbot, You accuse yoda's mods as a aimbot. in reality, it's probably way more than what yoda's ERI mod or FC are capacity of.

 

my 2 cents :-)

[Total]

No accusations of it being an aimbot ;)

 

Just the advantage it gives to those who have the ability to use it at it's fullest potential vs those who are flying stock FC2 or can't afford the extra hardware.

 

I'm all for the added capability of datalink and the ability to extract it to another monitor. Especially vital for the simpit builders :)

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=869374&postcount=221

 

GG made a very good summary of my suggestion there ;)

[RvEYoda]

No accusations of it being an aimbot ;)

 

Just the advantage it gives to those who have the ability to use it at it's fullest potential vs those who are flying stock FC2 or can't afford the extra hardware.

 

I'm all for the added capability of datalink and the ability to extract it to another monitor. Especially vital for the simpit builders :)

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=869374&postcount=221

 

GG made a very good summary of my suggestion there ;)

 

Unfortunately impossible, and here is why:

 

Leavu runs a java program on the client computer. (the computer displaying the mfd)

Even if each client was limited to one mfd each, there could still be multiple clients

to the same host (game computer).

 

Leavu2 is made to support multiple clients, in preparation for backseater mods :)

Also if we limit to only 1 client at a time, I cannot run a full cockpit setup, because i have one

client generating some instruments and another client displaying some others.

Edited April 5, 2010 by =RvE=Yoda

[Total]

I'm gonna have to side for those who do not approve it being used in public servers then Yoda. If that set up in your sig is your setup, then you have a helluvan advantage over someone who cannot afford to have four monitors on their desk. Your situational awareness is levels above those who can't afford a set up like that.

 

In this case, referencing an earlier post in this thread - that's exactly like buying an advantage. Without the money, people can't have that advantage.

 

I also disapprove of strike aircraft (A-10 and SU-25) having access to the displayable datalink as well. They don't have that capability in reality. LEAVU makes it possible for those with extra monitors to diplay the datalink screens when flying aircraft ath don't have them.

 

I'm not going to get into the debate over the whole autosnap radar-hold thing. I don't have an AN/APG-63 tech manual sitting in front me lol.

 

I concede that I will fly on servers that don't allow it. Nice work and very, very cool - but unleveling the playing field and giving abilities to aircraft that shouldn't have them are the big issues imho ;)

[RvEYoda]

I'm gonna have to side for those who do not approve it being used in public servers then Yoda. If that set up in your sig is your setup, then you have a helluvan advantage over someone who cannot afford to have four monitors on their desk. Your situational awareness is levels above those who can't afford a set up like that.

 

In this case, referencing an earlier post in this thread - that's exactly like buying an advantage. Without the money, people can't have that advantage.

 

I also disapprove of strike aircraft (A-10 and SU-25) having access to the displayable datalink as well. They don't have that capability in reality. LEAVU makes it possible for those with extra monitors to diplay the datalink screens when flying aircraft ath don't have them.

 

I'm not going to get into the debate over the whole autosnap radar-hold thing. I don't have an AN/APG-63 tech manual sitting in front me lol.

 

I concede that I will fly on servers that don't allow it. Nice work and very, very cool - but unleveling the playing field and giving abilities to aircraft that shouldn't have them are the big issues imho ;)

 

My sig is more of a tech demonstration, not my actual flight setup, just

to prove that it is possible to render a lot of interactive instruments.

Leavu is a software for generating any number of cockpit instruments

for external monitors, not locked to any sim or aircraft. We have talked

about analogue instruments, but so far only implemented an ADI ball.

 

Not sure what I have done there to give AC more capabilities than they should

have (unless you use the stock game as your reference for "should have"),

unless you find having both HSD and Weapons view at the same time is a problem.

The rest are already displayed at the same time in the stock pit.

 

But hey don't get me wrong, you're free to play any game you want any way

you want, if that is on servers with strict stock game capability I won't try to

stop you :). It's just that some of us find it more interesting with a couple of

extra instruments. Brings the combat up to a new level

Edited April 5, 2010 by =RvE=Yoda

[RvETito]

Myself, I don't use LEAVU just beacuse I have a single 19" monitor and I have to Alt-Tab every time I want to have a look at the displays. I hosted the DL once with Yoda while FC2 was still in development and I was amazed by the gameplay improvement it gives. So for me it is definitely a feature, a great one, not even near to be considered a cheat. I keep wandering though where some of you guys get those 'cheating' ideas from...

[Wilde]

I concede that I will fly on servers that don't allow it.

 

Which takes us back to another question: how do you know it's a stock server? Besides intentionally altering export.lua and trying to connect is there any other way to find out? Because that could be a royal pita.

[Case]

Which takes us back to another question: how do you know it's a stock server?

Game servers can use the integrity check feature to check if files on the client match those on the server, and if that check fails, they will not be able to join. These integrity checks will become standard practice on game servers to prevent players from cheating.

 

To run a stock server the admins would check the integrity of some crucial files, like export.lua, rearm.lua and modellod.txt. Any player that did not alter these files can join the server without problems. For players that did alter them, the server should provide the accepted files to their clients. If servers want to allow scripts like LEAVU and ERI they should check the integrity of export.lua and the LEAVU/ERI files to ensure that they are not tampered with.

 

One of the problems with the LEAVU and ERI scripts is the fact that they are open source. Anyone can download the code and change it for good and for bad purposes.

 

I cannot stress it more, server admins should start checking the integrity of certain files.

[Kuky]

What Wilde asked is if someone has not altered any files how does he know if server he joins has stock files also and does not allow for LEAVU etc? I think there is no way unless like you said... you deliberately change some files to see if it'll let you in, but this is very annoying thing to do as you'd have to change back and forth... not a good solution at all.

[104th_Crunch]

Mention your files being checked in the mission briefings that are displayed when you highlight the server before you click join. I know from experience though that a lot of people don't take the time to read the brief. RTFB :)

[Pilotasso]

So what happens if file checks are donne? will I loose the ability for auto antenna elevation? :huh:

[Case]

So what happens if file checks are donne? will I loose the ability for auto antenna elevation? :huh:

It will depend if the server where you want to fly allows the ability. If it allows it then it will allow it for everyone. If they will not allow it then no one on that server will be able to use it.

[Pilotasso]

Well I think we should then compile a list of realism features to be checked and agreed for all community (because it sucks to have to switch files for each server) before penalizing the fair players in the place of the so called cheaters.

[RvEYoda]

Well I think we should then compile a list of realism features to be checked and agreed for all community (because it sucks to have to switch files for each server) before penalizing the fair players in the place of the so called cheaters.

 

What should be done is someone should fix the server-browser to auto-download the integrity checked files after the question is asked :)

[Case]

Well I think we should then compile a list of realism features to be checked and agreed for all community (because it sucks to have to switch files for each server) before penalizing the fair players in the place of the so called cheaters.

Well, this is the downside of the way FC2.0 works, doing an integrity check instead of, say, uploading server enforced files to each client.

 

However, I think the multiplayer community has to become accustomed to the concept of integrity checks. Without those, multiplayer servers will become chaotic and accusations of exploits and cheats will be the norm.

 

The simplest example is tacview, which any client can run on a server that does not check the integrity of export.lua and has exports enabled. Tacview will simply give anyone a live view of the battle field.

[PoleCat]

The 104th is currently using and supporting Yoda's mod and we will be making it available to those in the community that are interested in trying it for a while so that they can make an informed decision about its use. If you need help with its installation or use please feel free to drop by th 104th TS3 server for help.

 

Over the long term we will decide internally if we should continue to do so on a permanent basis or not. Of course we will keep you, the community informed of any changes to our dedicated server policy moving forward.

 

Out

[AustinN360]

The 104th is currently using and supporting Yoda's mod and we will be making it available to those in the community that are interested in trying it for a while so that they can make an informed decision about its use. If you need help with its installation or use please feel free to drop by th 104th TS3 server for help.

 

Over the long term we will decide internally if we should continue to do so on a permanent basis or not. Of course we will keep you, the community informed of any changes to our dedicated server policy moving forward.

 

Out

 

+1 :thumbup:

[Grimes]

The 104th is currently using and supporting Yoda's mod

 

Sad to say that making a post in a forum is the only way anyone will ever know if the mod is actually being used. Kudos for at least informing people but a realtime update of some kind addition to the player name or server message stating that user X is using these mods is in my mind something that should be encouraged/required.

[104th_Crunch]

Sad to say that making a post in a forum is the only way anyone will ever know if the mod is actually being used. Kudos for at least informing people but a realtime update of some kind addition to the player name or server message stating that user X is using these mods is in my mind something that should be encouraged/required.

 

Right now there are a few 104th using ERI. No one that I know is using LEAVU on the server in our squad, though there may be some experimenting with it, and for sure no one from our squad is using LEAVU datalink. Basically we are just taking some more time to see how it goes before deciding if we're locking files. Lots to consider with Tacview coming out soon.

 

If you use Tacview as an example. If the server wants to lock down the export.lua file yet still allow Tacview, then anyone wanting to join the server will have to have Tacview installed as well. If they don't they will get the integrity check error. It's for sure complicated without the the server pushing files to the client.

 

If a server checks for default files currently, then you'll be able to join that server as well as server that isn't checking files yet like the 104th, if you have made no mods .

 

Your point Grimes is a good one, but I am not sure if what you suggest is technically possible. We can however, put the ERI mod info in our brief for all to see. As for LEAVU, we are not using it in a group capacity currently.