FM of upcoming DCS A-10C vs. FC 2.0 A-10A

Since one of them will have advanced physics based FM and the other a "scripted" FM engine, will they handle very differently? Just curious as I feel they should handle similarly without any loadout. I'm looking forward to the release of both projects. Cheers.

[T-Bone]

Like the Su-25TM in FC versus the old Su-25.

[GGTharos]

The SFM is not scripted - it is simple, but it is still dynamic. Some extreme regions of flight in the SFM are scripted.

 

Either way, yes, they will handle differently especially in the high AoA regime, and when loaded out.

Like the Su-25TM in FC versus the old Su-25.

 

I think I'm pretty sure I read they are not touching the existing FM but I wonder how difficult it would be to port the SU25T FM to the SU-25 and the A-10C FM to the A-10A.

[GGTharos]

There's no point in asking that question; it will either happen or not (most likely not).

Of course there is a point and of course it will either happen or not.

[GGTharos]

No, there really isn't a point. This particular decision will probably be based more on separation of products than the ease with which this can be done. Just a guess on my part though.

Ummm...there is. I guess more wishful thinking than a question. I'm sure ED would have done it if it was easy enough. My guess is the scripted FM has hooks into many other things that can't be easily changed.

[GGTharos]

Ummm...there is. I guess more wishful thinking than a question. I'm sure ED would have done it if it was easy enough.

 

Not necessarily.

 

My guess is the scripted FM has hooks into many other things that can't be easily changed.

 

I guess I have to repeat again: It isn't scripted.

"extreme regions are scripted"........

[GGTharos]

"extreme regions are scripted"........

 

I guess you don't know the difference between a scripted FM and an FM that has certain scripted regions - a moot point anyway I suppose. The new FM is obviously better ;)

I do know the difference and yes it's obvious a physics based FM is desireable over a scripted/"simple" one which is why I posted the thread. It would be a nice surprise if the dynamic FMs can be ported to replace the simple ones currently in existence. That's all. And that was my point so I disagree my post had no point. sorry.

[isoul]

Let me understand one thing... FM of LOMAC is simple? FC flight model is... what? FC2.0 will have the same FM fidelity as DCS?

 

What the FC2.0 FM will be and how realistic will that be compared to DCS FM?

 

...many questions!

[159th_Viper]

 

...many questions!

 

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[EinsteinEP]

Q: Is it true that bird ingestion has been added?

A: Yes, but it can be set on or off with .LUA setting.

OT, but: That is *AWESOME*!

OT, but: That is *AWESOME*!

 

OT too but they aren't going to actually model little birds flying around are they? I think FSX is the only sim today that has actually modeled live animals including birds in the simulator.

[joey45]

Let me understand one thing... FM of LOMAC is simple? FC flight model is... what?

the same apart from the frogfoot

FC2.0 will have the same FM fidelity as DCS?

no FC2 will not touch on the FMs

[topol-m]

OT too but they aren't going to actually model little birds flying around are they?

 

 

Who said anything about small birds, I thought they will be more like this one:

[Haukka81]

the same apart from the frogfoot

 

no FC2 will not touch on the FMs

 

Yes it will :music_whistling:

 

Improved flight performance for player-controlled aircraft

- Improved flight models for all artificial intelligence (AI) controlled aircraft

[GGTharos]

FC2 isn't changing the physics of the FM's - just the parameters.

[Dr_Arrow]

AFAIK - vanila Su-25 has the advanced flight model similar to Su-25TM.

[104th_Crunch]

AFAIK - vanila Su-25 has the advanced flight model similar to Su-25TM.

 

You are correct sir.

[Silent Warrior]

I think FSX is the only sim today that has actually modeled live animals including birds in the simulator.

X-Plane 8 beat them to it, actually. I'm sure one can argue about how realistic it was, but there you are. Heh, the X-Plane community derives a fair amount of mirth and merriment from how MSFS copies a number of their features into the next release on occasion. :D

And the S(imple)FM in LOMAC/FS is indeed dynamic - try Ace Combat and you'll know the difference in no time flat. Take an F-15 out for a spin with extra tanks, drop those, and see how even the most complained about FM in the sim shows some dynamism. Even Jane's IAF and Falcon 4.0 had dynamic flight modelling. The AFM seems to just add a ton of new considerations for the sim over the SFM, I doubt it's radically different in concept (just maybe 1,5-2x the number of factors/calculations - official comment on the "exact" extent, please?).

[SUBS17]

I think I'm pretty sure I read they are not touching the existing FM but I wonder how difficult it would be to port the SU25T FM to the SU-25 and the A-10C FM to the A-10A.

 

Both SU25T and SU25 have AFM, the A-10A would have different performance from the C because the C has FBW and more powerful engines. It would not be as simple as porting one into the other from what I've read.

[EtherealN]

It should also be noted that even if it were possible (from the technical standpoint) and desirable (from the marketing/branding standpoint) to "port" the FM of the DCS A10C to the FC2 A10A (with parameters tweaked for engines and such I guess), this would also have the potential to cause radically different system requirements for FC2 depending on which of the aircraft you are using - which isn't desirable.

 

But I don't know exactly what impact that would have, but it's another consideration to remember.