206 Burner VR Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 We want F-18 this is the best aircraft to attack ground and air targets ! And we love landing on carrier deck ! F-18 RULEEEZ ! [sIGPIC]http://vlep.pl/u14oct.jpg[/sIGPIC] PILOT: " B U R N E R "
shu77 Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 You guys should take a look at Combat Helo, still wip but will most likely be released long before any DCS:AH64 ;) I wish this guy would get together with the people doing Outerra. That I would love to see. Hornet, Super Carrier, Warthog & (II), Mustang, Spitfire, Albatross, Sabre, Combined Arms, FC3, Nevada, Gulf, Normandy, Syria AH-6J i9 10900K @ 5.0GHz, Gigabyte Z490 Vision G, Cooler Master ML120L, Gigabyte RTX3080 OC Gaming 10Gb, 64GB RAM, Reverb G2 @ 2480x2428, TM Warthog, Saitek pedals & throttle, DIY collective, TrackIR4, Cougar MFDs, vx3276-2k Combat Wombat's Airfield & Enroute Maps and Planning Tools
mig29 Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 We want F-18 this is the best aircraft to attack ground and air targets ! And we love landing on carrier deck ! F-18 RULEEEZ ! But a ground attacker A-10c has just been released.
104th_Crunch Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 But a ground attacker A-10c has just been released. Multirole is different than dedicated attack.
Isegrim Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) I prefer helicopters But everyone crys for an Fighter and so it should be a Multirole Fighter. F14 Tomcat is also a really cool plane (in my opinion the Cadillac of the Skys) but i voted for F18E i think its the better joice. Edited March 19, 2011 by Isegrim Some bookstables this Forum doesnt like! :) Please fix if possible. "Blyat Naaaaa" - Izlom
mig29 Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 Multirole is different than dedicated attack. But don't you crave for a dedicated A2A after a dedicated A2G? Or do you want to enjoy best of both worlds !
JS Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) Are there even any dedicated air-to-air aircraft anymore? Seems like even previous air-to-air fighters like the F-14 and F-15 are dropping bombs now. Maybe the Mig-31 is still air-to-air only? Edited March 19, 2011 by JS
GGTharos Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 That's incorrect. The F-15C is still A2A only. For the most part, so is the Raptor. Are there even any dedicated air-to-air aircraft anymore? Seems like even previous air-to-air fighters like the F-14 and F-15 are dropping bombs now. Maybe the Mig-31 is still air-to-air only? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Boberro Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 Are there even any dedicated air-to-air aircraft anymore? Seems like even previous air-to-air fighters like the F-14 and F-15 are dropping bombs now. Maybe the Mig-31 is still air-to-air only? AFAIK MiG-31's WCS's been upgraded... so it can carry bombs, naval and air weapons ^^ Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
RichardG Posted March 20, 2011 Posted March 20, 2011 I'm skeptical of how well DCS can model a fighter or fighter bomber environment. After seeing the abysmal AI for wingman in Blackshark, and the not much better wingman/flight AI in A10, I don't know how air to air tactics can realistically be employed. (in DCS) The aircraft models and systems are excellent. But once one gets past that, it comes down to fighting in the airframe, and in air to air battles that will be done in flights and elements. Those flights and elements don't work well in this sim series. Falcon 4 had excellent element and flight AI, and excellent wingman and flight commands that worked. Didn't SimHQ just interview the lead developer of Falcon? Maybe DCS should hire him for some AI work.
asparagin Posted March 20, 2011 Posted March 20, 2011 Didn't SimHQ just interview the lead developer of Falcon? Maybe DCS should hire him for some AI work. The guy was in charge of the dynamic campaign. But I agree that the AI in DCS is not the smartest, especially in Air. On ground I don't care so much. This will be critical when DCS fighter comes out. I hope we won't have to go A2A against the FC2 AI. What made the F4 AI nice was the fact that it was more human, like some fighters would scramble home if the felt underpowered. Spoiler AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, MSI MEG X570 UNIFY (AM4, AMD X570, ATX), Noctua NH-DH14, EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti XC3 ULTRA, Seasonic Focus PX (850W), Kingston HyperX 240GB, Samsung 970 EVO Plus (1000GB, M.2 2280), 32GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo DDR4-3600 DIMM CL16, Cooler Master 932 HAF, Samsung Odyssey G5; 34", Win 10 X64 Pro, Track IR, TM Warthog, TM MFDs, Saitek Pro Flight Rudders
104th_Crunch Posted March 20, 2011 Posted March 20, 2011 I'm skeptical of how well DCS can model a fighter or fighter bomber environment. After seeing the abysmal AI for wingman in Blackshark, and the not much better wingman/flight AI in A10, I don't know how air to air tactics can realistically be employed. (in DCS) The aircraft models and systems are excellent. But once one gets past that, it comes down to fighting in the airframe, and in air to air battles that will be done in flights and elements. Those flights and elements don't work well in this sim series. Falcon 4 had excellent element and flight AI, and excellent wingman and flight commands that worked. Didn't SimHQ just interview the lead developer of Falcon? Maybe DCS should hire him for some AI work. Yes, of course AI is important, but there is the Multiplayer aspect. For that AI is most important for ground units only since every fighting air unit in a mission can be human. You only need to play FC2 to see how air to air tactics can realistically be employed in singleplayer and multiplayer.
isoul Posted March 20, 2011 Posted March 20, 2011 I'm skeptical of how well DCS can model a fighter or fighter bomber environment. After seeing the abysmal AI for wingman in Blackshark, and the not much better wingman/flight AI in A10, I don't know how air to air tactics can realistically be employed. (in DCS) The aircraft models and systems are excellent. But once one gets past that, it comes down to fighting in the airframe, and in air to air battles that will be done in flights and elements. Those flights and elements don't work well in this sim series. Falcon 4 had excellent element and flight AI, and excellent wingman and flight commands that worked. Didn't SimHQ just interview the lead developer of Falcon? Maybe DCS should hire him for some AI work. I am skeptical too RichardG... From the first very first few times I flew the a mission I 've noticed that AI wingman acts weird. Even in quick mission I see that my wingman flies quite unrealistically compared to the friendly Mi-24s. And NO, AI of air units is important even in multiplayer.
Shinigami Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) Hi: From a programmer point of view, The making of a AI that's fly like the real pilots will do, is very difficult for not saying that it is almost impossible without loading the processor rendering the sim to a monster consuming game, also you guy are not taking in count the fog of war. So I think that is better to be focused in the multiplayer, Saying that doesn't deny that the AI of DCS needs a review. Edited March 21, 2011 by Shinigami La guerra, asi como es madrastra de los cobardes, es madre de los valientes. Cervantes. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Jona33 Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 DCS chinook would be the best Always remember. I don't have a clue what I'm doing
MrYenko Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 http://www.gamingshogun.com/Article/8965/DCS__A-10C_Warthog_Review_-_PC.html Excerpt: In closing this review, I felt it a good idea to bounce some questions off of Matt Wagner, producer of the DCS series - especially to see if he would spill the proverbial beans on what platform they plan on simulating next! *snip* Q) Are you planning to move onto a completely new airframe after this or will you be creating DLC packs for Black Shark and/or A-10C? A) Over the next year we have both DLC and a new aircraft development planned. 3) Any hints on what aircraft you guys are planning to simulate next? A) The next DCS aircraft will be a fixed wing US fighter. :pilotfly:
Amuro Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 But a ground attacker A-10c has just been released. But the A-10C is for CAS mainly. With multi-role we can have other ground attack capabilities like high speed interdiction, SEAD, etc, in additio to A2A. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel Core i7-3960X @4.3Ghz | Asus Rampage IV Extreme | Corsair CML16GX3M4A1866C9 4 x 4GB @1866Mhz 9-10-9-27-1T |eVGA GTX Titan Black Hydro Copper SLI | Plextor M5 Pro 512GB SSD | Crucial M4 512GB SSD | Seagate 2TB SSHD | Samsung Spinpoint F1 HD103UJ 1TB | Pioneer BDR-205BK 12x Blu-ray Burner | Creative x-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Sound Card | Corsair A1200 1200W PSU Cooling - Watercool MO-RA3 420 PRO stainless steel radiator with 9x Noiseblocker NB-BlackSilent Pro PK-2 140mm fans
JS Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 "Fixed wing fighter", that narrows it down a bit more from the previous statement "very popular fixed wing aircraft". Rules out bombers and so on.
Shinigami Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 Is like already told you guys, a F-16 or a F-15 cause a F-18 is more like carrier operated and is to early for that I think. though all the pictures in the FaceBook page; Also would be nice to have carrier operation and Multirole fighters. I'm hoping that in FC2 they put a multirole Mig or Su. Shinigami Out... La guerra, asi como es madrastra de los cobardes, es madre de los valientes. Cervantes. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Squid Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) Is like already told you guys, a F-16 or a F-15 cause a F-18 is more like carrier operated and is to early for that I think. though all the pictures in the FaceBook page; Also would be nice to have carrier operation and Multirole fighters. I'm hoping that in FC2 they put a multirole Mig or Su. Shinigami Out... F-15 = F-15E ? url of facebook page ? Edited March 22, 2011 by Squid . i7 880 | HD 7870 | 8 Gb DDR3 1600 | ECS P55H-A | OCZ Vertex 2 180 | Intel 330 180 | WD 500 AAKS | 2x WD 2T Green | Enermax Liberty 620 | CH Combatstick & Throttle | TrackIR 3 | HP ZR24W | Windows 7 x64
YoYo Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) F-15 = F-15E ? url of facebook page ? Im not sure, F-15E is for two persons - pilot plus operator. It will be very difficult to manage this as in level of DCS line sim. If F-15 - probably F-15C. I think It will be A-10A :D Edited March 22, 2011 by YoYo Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 5090 32Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro
Shinigami Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 don't know, less see what happens in the next few months. We have to ask the ED people to see if they want to give some advance in the next plane La guerra, asi como es madrastra de los cobardes, es madre de los valientes. Cervantes. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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