Next DCS (US) Fixed Wing Aircraft Wish List

[badger66]

I dont feel it would take away from the P-51 at all ..... differant era of interest . The DCS fast jet is more relevant as I would fully expect to see this in FC3 .

[MemphisBelle]

I dont feel it would take away from the P-51 at all ..... differant era of interest . The DCS fast jet is more relevant as I would fully expect to see this in FC3 .

 

additionally to this I´d like to see the next DCS fastmover way before any other FC product. This line can die out imho (but I know that there are a lot of folks outside who are impatiently awaiting that one).

 

But as Wags stated, so there´s not yet a price range in sight (considering speaking of November 2011), because this would be up to the provided features. This again leads me to the guess, that FC3 is in a very early state of production. So the hope can grow again that the next., or actually the first fastmover, will see the light of day within this year.

[Pesholito]

Wishful thinking is a good thing, but the one minor detail most of us here seem to forget is that these high fidelity simulations are partially the result of orders from major customers such as the military. So what the next simulation release might be will depend to a great extent on what was worked on and how much can be made available / declassified to the general public. Otherwise nothing wrong with daydreaming.

[ALDEGA]

I was wrong ,first half is june 31. we still have 3 months to wait.

Even so, don't be surprised/disappointed if it's released later ... The best laid plans ...

[Demongornot]

And what if its release before ? :D

[Squeak]

Not only that, lofting, fusing, seeker are amongst many reasons why FC's slammer just doesn't cut it.

 

What i want to know is why no Russian aircraft here.

 

Because nobody wants to fly a Russian aircraft :thumbup:

[hitman]

Because nobody wants to fly a Russian aircraft :thumbup:

Obviously, since hes the only one who asked why there were no russian aircraft to fly. Amazing deduction there, Watson. :thumbup:

 

Take a closer look at the other 252 pages.

[Squeak]

Obviously, since hes the only one who asked why there were no russian aircraft to fly. Amazing deduction there, Watson. :thumbup:

 

Take a closer look at the other 252 pages.

 

 

hahaha you sound mad there champ

 

I actually prefer being called a Hardy boy than Watson :thumbup:

[LostOblivion]

The Hardly Boys...

 

[hitman]

hahaha you sound mad there champ

 

I actually prefer being called a Hardy boy than Watson :thumbup:

Nah, not mad. More like exasperated at people who claim one thing based on the last page of a thread. Ignorance is bliss, right?

[Amuro]

in regards to the F-16

 

 

 

THIS. I would agree the F-16 has decent sims and while a remake would be alright I would much rather the F-14D. I wouldn't mind the F/A-18 either, I guess what I really want is CARRIER OPERATIONS. Having realistic carrier ops would be so cool...

DCS: Tomcat would be great! I've recently rekindled my love for the F-14 due to the release of SF2 North Atlantic. Amazing jet. Just accelerate and watch the wings sweep back is enough to give me a sense of awe. If the next DCS jet is the F-18 then I hope the next DCS Legend is the Tomcat, as it really is a legend.

[MemphisBelle]

[...]I hope the next DCS Legend is the Tomcat, as it really is a legend.

 

same here, this Jet is a real Legend - P 51 is just a Warbird :D

[OutOnTheOP]

Why so much love for the F-14? Really? I mean, what meaningful engagements did it EVER conduct to justify "legend" status. Is it simply the fact that it's retired that makes it a legend? I would actually argue that it's retired status is more of a black mark on it than a plus; it was retired because there was no need for it. After all, the F-15 only entered service a few years later, and it's still in service. And the F-15 to date has, what, 104 aerial kills? And produced a top-notch strike variant. And they're STILL keeping it in service and in production.

 

The Tomcat has a record of 5:0. 2 Su-22 Fitters, 2 MiG-23s, and an Mi-8. I'm not certain the ratio of bombs delivered by F-15E vs F-14D, but I'd wager a SUBSTANTIAL part of my life savings that the F-15E blows the Tomcat away there, too.

 

So the Tomcat is so beloved because, what, it starred in a vaguely homoerotic Tom Cruise bromance flick?

 

Wait, what? You would say the P-51 is just a "Warbird", despite thousands of sorties over occupied Europe and Imperial Japan, despite hundreds of kills, despite active CAS employment in Korea? And yet the F-14's whopping three aerial engagements qualify it as a "Legend"? Wow. I really hope that was sarcasm....

 

I mean, I don't particularly like the F/A-18 (the A-D in particular), but I can at least understand why others might be interested in it; it has broad multi-role capabilities, and is used by numerous nations.

 

.....though it's combat record isn't any better.

Edited March 29, 2012 by OutOnTheOP

[Bearitall]

Why so much love for the F-14? Really? I mean, what meaningful engagements did it EVER conduct to justify "legend" status. Is it simply the fact that it's retired that makes it a legend? I would actually argue that it's retired status is more of a black mark on it than a plus; it was retired because there was no need for it. After all, the F-15 only entered service a few years later, and it's still in service. And the F-15 to date has, what, 104 aerial kills? And produced a top-notch strike variant. And they're STILL keeping it in service and in production.

 

The Tomcat has a record of 5:0. 2 Su-22 Fitters, 2 MiG-23s, and an Mi-8. I'm not certain the ratio of bombs delivered by F-15E vs F-14D, but I'd wager a SUBSTANTIAL part of my life savings that the F-15E blows the Tomcat away there, too.

 

So the Tomcat is so beloved because, what, it starred in a vaguely homoerotic Tom Cruise bromance flick?

 

Wait, what? You would say the P-51 is just a "Warbird", despite thousands of sorties over occupied Europe and Imperial Japan, despite hundreds of kills, despite active CAS employment in Korea? And yet the F-14's whopping three aerial engagements qualify it as a "Legend"? Wow. I really hope that was sarcasm....

 

I mean, I don't particularly like the F/A-18 (the A-D in particular), but I can at least understand why others might be interested in it; it has broad multi-role capabilities, and is used by numerous nations.

 

.....though it's combat record isn't any better.

 

I honestly think he thinks this is a real legend....:thumbup:

 

 

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[MemphisBelle]

@OutOnTheOP

 

Dont take those considerations about the F-14 too serious and don´t forget that this thread is just a wishlist. So I´d prefer the Cat before the Mustang because this is my personal wish. The reason why I like the cat more than others are not the Dogfight victories or the combat statistics, but just the fact that I like it more than others.

can you live with this?;)

[Frostie]

Why so much love for the F-14? Really? I mean, what meaningful engagements did it EVER conduct to justify "legend" status. Is it simply the fact that it's retired that makes it a legend? I would actually argue that it's retired status is more of a black mark on it than a plus; it was retired because there was no need for it. After all, the F-15 only entered service a few years later, and it's still in service. And the F-15 to date has, what, 104 aerial kills? And produced a top-notch strike variant. And they're STILL keeping it in service and in production.

 

Your right the Tomcat isn't a legend. Maybe if Israel had bought it instead of the F-15 i'm pretty sure it would have become one though. It's lack of action is more down to lack of opportunity.

 

What it is, is a mark of a near full potential design, unlike the F-16 and F-18 there were only sparse thoughts put into cost. It costs more than an F-15 with good reason, they turned a bad fighter idea the F-111 into a pretty good one that can land on carriers and perform the interceptor and air superiority roles very well. Huge power at all altitudes, excellent acceleration, climb rate and even turning rate especially at low speeds, all this combined with what was one of the most powerful aircraft radars at the time the AWG-9. Yes for such a huge bird even Eagle drivers need to keep their energy high when mixing with this bruiser or face a bloody nose.

A great machine design much like the Ka-50 is.

[Dudikoff]

Why so much love for the F-14? Really? I mean, what meaningful engagements did it EVER conduct to justify "legend" status. Is it simply the fact that it's retired that makes it a legend? I would actually argue that it's retired status is more of a black mark on it than a plus; it was retired because there was no need for it.

 

You're over-simplifying matters..

 

The Tomcat was retired by the US Navy because they were pushing the SH to do practically all of the tasks of a Carrier Air Wing to save money. Thus, the F-14D was produced in very small numbers so it was not financially viable to keep them operational, especially since the Cold War was over.

 

The F-15A is also retired from the US service. The F-15C would've been retired by now if there were enough funds to produce the F-22 in significant numbers. They're starting to show structural problems already (they were grounded not so long ago), but there's no other choice but to keep them in the air till the F-35A arrives.

 

After all, the F-15 only entered service a few years later, and it's still in service. And the F-15 to date has, what, 104 aerial kills? And produced a top-notch strike variant. And they're STILL keeping it in service and in production.

 

First, comparing A2A victories and export successes made by a land-based fighter to a fleet defender fighter is rather pointless. The Tomcat was built and used to protect the carrier fleets from attacks which never really materialized so you can't really blame it for the lack of engagements in the USN service (the exception was in the Iraq-Iran war where it was rather feared by the Iraqis). Also, no other country had the need for a heavy and expensive fleet defenders such as the Tomcat so it's not really strange it wasn't exported (again, besides Iran).

 

Second, you're comparing the F-15s' 104 kills where over half of those kills were done by the Israeli Air Force turkey-shoot engagements and then don't even add the Iranian Tomcat kills (the sources are sketchy, but are estimated to ~100 by some sources; the Iranians claim 160 kills)?

 

Besides, the kill numbers alone never made legends. The Hurricane shot down most of the enemy planes during the Battle of Britain, but it's the Spitfire which gets the legendary status. And the Tomcat might be legendary for it was the most capable interceptor ever fielded on the aircraft carriers and beyond. I like the F-15, but as a typical USAF bird it certainly lacks in appeal compared to the Tomcat. It's not underpowered, it has no quirks.. I'd even go as far to call it 'boring' :)

Edited March 29, 2012 by Dudikoff

[Frostiken]

To be fair the F-14 did pretty well in Iran's hands. Surprisingly.

 

But the F-15 is a legend for more reasons than just its kill ratio. Whether or not the F-14 was a fleet defender is irrelevant, you don't get a free pass because the airframe turned out to be useless. The F-15's practically become the lynchpin of any modern combat operation anywhere. Given the limited size of the F-15E fleet, the shit it's managed to accomplish in the relatively short time it's been around is far beyond simply being 'impressive'.

Edited March 29, 2012 by Frostiken

[GGTharos]

Actually it was underpowered. It was called the 'Turkey' for a reason. Until the engine problems were dealt with as well you just had to baby it when flying ... it was a great machine, but its performance wasn't mythical. Case in point: Climb records belong to F-15's (and now Raptors, but you won't hear about those ), not F-14's. Turn rate is great and all, but if you're facing an opponent who will fight you in the vertical when you can't do the same ...

 

In any case, it isn't like it wasn't a dangerous opponent, but it's just not as mythical as some might think. Find the STR charts and you'll see.

 

Disclaimer: I'm an F-14 fan, too.

 

What it is, is a mark of a near full potential design, unlike the F-16 and F-18 there were only sparse thoughts put into cost. It costs more than an F-15 with good reason, they turned a bad fighter idea the F-111 into a pretty good one that can land on carriers and perform the interceptor and air superiority roles very well. Huge power at all altitudes, excellent acceleration, climb rate and even turning rate especially at low speeds, all this combined with what was one of the most powerful aircraft radars at the time the AWG-9. Yes for such a huge bird even Eagle drivers need to keep their energy high when mixing with this bruiser or face a bloody nose.

A great machine design much like the Ka-50 is.

[GGTharos]

The longeron problem is over and done with. Only a few F-15's had that defect. It is true that F-15's are starting to reach their airframe life time however, and as such there are now limitations on how many g's you can pull during practice, etc.

 

They're starting to show structural problems already (they were grounded not so long ago), but there's no other choice but to keep them in the air till the F-35A arrives.

 

Technically all of the F-15's kills are 'Turkey shoot engagements' ... all that shows is that it was just that superior. As for the Iranian combat record, being as sketchy as it is, it's just that ... sketchy and mostly meaningless, unfortunately.

 

Second, you're comparing the F-15s' 104 kills where over half of those kills were done by the Israeli Air Force turkey-shoot engagements and then don't even add the Iranian Tomcat kills (the sources are sketchy, but are estimated to ~100 by some sources; the Iranians claim 160 kills)?

 

It's boring only if you fly it like a cessna, and it sure had its quirks, and still has some. The engine troubles are long fixed (lots of stalls/flameouts with the -100s), the TEWS likes to puke all over itself, for the longest time they didn't have a good sensor/processor to deal with older SAMs well, etc.

 

I like the F-15, but as a typical USAF bird it certainly lacks in appeal compared to the Tomcat. It's not underpowered, it has no quirks.. I'd even go as far to call it 'boring' :)

[Frostie]

Actually it was underpowered. It was called the 'Turkey' for a reason. Until the engine problems were dealt with as well you just had to baby it when flying ... it was a great machine, but its performance wasn't mythical. Case in point: Climb records belong to F-15's (and now Raptors, but you won't hear about those ), not F-14's. Turn rate is great and all, but if you're facing an opponent who will fight you in the vertical when you can't do the same ...

 

In any case, it isn't like it wasn't a dangerous opponent, but it's just not as mythical as some might think. Find the STR charts and you'll see.

 

Disclaimer: I'm an F-14 fan, too.

I never said and never will say that it is superior to the F-15. The F-14B should have been the definitive F-14, those troublesome TF30's on the A version not being able to withstand hard use was one good reason amongst cost and the AWG-9 being considered old tech for a future venture, that the UK chose not to purchase any and instead modify the Tornado IDS and create the Tornado F2. Another wishlist hopeful.

[Peyoteros]

This one is really really funny threat... The way I see it... there are 5059 posts about nothing... Whatever you type in here, the next plane is still going to be the P-51.

I find it hard to believe, that it has so many responses with such an enthusiasm, when everyone, who follows ED, TFC, DCS knows, that nothing ever matters on what we want, that's is simply not how ED operates. Next plane is still going to be P51. And next "choice" of the frame, will only depend on "the information available" and yet, there are "224" who thinks next one should be F22 and "165" hopes for F35 ... Jesus.

Now, with all that being said I can go back to bed and get some sleep. Feels good. :)

[RIPTIDE]

^^ And your post is any better? Or mine either? :D

[OutOnTheOP]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'd still buy DCS:Tomcat, and I even think it could be an interesting simulation just because of the quirks; I just can't fathom where the cult of personality (for lack of a better phrase) surrounding it came from. Frankly, other than carrying the Phoenix (and a bigass radar), it really didn't have much spectacular about it- it just featured in some movies and had some sexy variable geometry wings that made it look unique and therefore be an easily identifiable aircraft that I think became iconic to a lot of children of the 80s.

I just think that all told, while it might be an interesting choice for DCS, it would be a particularly BAD choice for DCS. Too limited in mission profile, too limited in deployment, too limited in historical engagements, and too limited in performance (though the same can certainly be said of the A-10).

[Dudikoff]

I just think that all told, while it might be an interesting choice for DCS, it would be a particularly BAD choice for DCS. Too limited in mission profile, too limited in deployment, too limited in historical engagements, and too limited in performance (though the same can certainly be said of the A-10).

 

I don't really see all these limitations being valid for the F-14D, apart from the fact that its weapon loadout options are limited since it was politically targeted for termination from the very beginning..