ED : Be honest.

[Stormin]

Just to air this, but im realy getting tired of your sarcastic answers, we're just discusing our conserns in a decent maner. "why dont you just leave! " ?? Whats that abouth man, seems like you get personaly insulted every time you hear something you dont want to hear about this product. I know who you are and respect your work. But its just not "aaaaaight" ( Ali G :icon_pidu ) for those kind of posts from your side.

 

Just my toughts..

 

peace.-Kev :icon_weed

 

Dont drink and drive, smoke and fly!

 

 

I really think you guys are overreacting a tad. I'm not taking any of this personally and neither should any of you.

 

I just grow tired of the constant crying. Stating that the forum should be shut down was silly and rated the response I supplied. Feel free to disagree, I don't mind at all.

[Stormin]

I'll file that for future reference then :D

 

No charge. Enjoy. :icon_jook

[Kevlon]

No, im totaly chill. Just keep it down a notch man, u dont want to lose face.

Not any of us want to.

[Coffee999]

Yes shutting down the forum is silly. Much better wordage than you used before, which was just as "silly".

[BIOLOG]

OK, I think we established the fact that some people are really desperate for addon and whine about not being able to get it. That's normal it's human nature to be upset about things you can't get. I can perfectly well undestend that... I can also undestend people who it worked out for, and that have copy of the game that they can enjoy. Finally I can undertstend the latter bunch defending ED for their work on one of the greatest combat flight simulators ever, and slapping on "whiners".

 

However... That doesn't make this discussion any more civil. Infact last 2-3 pages of this discussion been rather personal pissing contest (pardon my language), between couple of people belonging to two opooisite camps I've described above. Simple fact is I don't want this type of discussion on these forums. And I don't want to close this thread either, as it would reappear under different title pretty soon.

 

Let me assure you, even thou I am not a spokesman for ED, neither do I posess detailed knowlege of their plans/actions, I do know that they are a very nice bunch of people who try their best to make this sim available for everyone. However life is a ***** and it keeps frowing challenges at them, challenges that may seem trivial to Western person, but that are very hard to overcome in enviroment of modern Russia. But I know that ED is doing their best. Most of the team are flight entusiasts, and when they fly they get the same "wonderful freedom"(sorry that description is rather bad, but my vocab limits my explanation) feeling as most of us so well know and desire...

 

So please I urge you... People who are really upset about not being able to get FC... Try to put yourself in ED's shoes and walk around in them... Try to understend that most of ED team doesn't visit these forums as they are to busy developing 1.2... Part of the team that is responsible for solving the problems, and do visit these forums, has to deal with Russian and English versions so that are not able to unswer all questions from both forums. They do their best, but can you imagine how frustrating it is to hear someone just flaming your product, product into which you pured your blood and sweat on, for reason that you are not able to control, such as Paypal fiasco?

I worked with ED since autumn. They replyed to my messages and beta-reports, when it was after 12 at night in Moscow. That proves their dedication to the product, at least for me, and I am sure it does for many other people.

 

People who got the game and are defending ED... I can understend your feelings as well, but at this point your comments just pure petrol straight into the bonfire... It doesn't extinguish it, it only makes the matters worse... Please consider well what you are posting and what you are trying to say. think if someone else said it already, is it really worth repeating? If someone else is behaving unappropriately, is it really worth behaving like them and lovering yourself to their level?

 

These forums started out very well... At first we had lots of users, and virtually no modding to do. We had a happy community, which was waiting for their dream to come true. It came true for some, it did partially for some others (SF+Paypal+various bugs), and it didn't for these who still don't have FC... Please have the courage to wait a bit longer. I can't say for how long, maybe a day, maybe a week, maybe a month. However, I am sure ED will not give up. They haven't yet, and they will not in forseable future, IMHO.

 

ED might not be replying simply because they are too busy sorting this out. Or maybe they don't want to give you falce hopes after all unexpected problems they had to face.

 

Please, just try to understend, that if these forums become less stressed, it will improve things. Nagging very rarely prompts progress, but can quite easily cause domoralisation.

 

So may I just ask all users, no matter who they are, or what their relation to the sim is... Think about what you post. Try to be friendly to the best of your ability. And don't judge a man before you got into his shoes and walked around in them for a bit.

 

Many thanks, and I do appoligise for rather poor english.

 

Best Regards,

 

BIOLOG

[Stormin]

No, im totaly chill. Just keep it down a notch man, u dont want to lose face.

Not any of us want to.

 

My weapon never left the holster. I'm frosty but tactical.

[Stormin]

Yes shutting down the forum is silly. Much better wordage than you used before, which was just as "silly".

 

Silly me.

[Stormin]

Bio,

 

You're a good man.

 

Your English is better than mine. :D

[wsoul2k]

Bio,

 

You're a good man.

 

Your English is better than mine. :D

 

 

Im preaty sure his english is better than mine ...and im preaty sure it is totally betther than my Russian

 

:D

[Manx]

I didn't mean to kick up a hornets nest here, but as others have pointed out, the lack of information coming out of ED is very frustrating for people wishing to purchase this game (me being one of them).

 

Stormin -- i took your words literally, when my impression was that ED always intended FL to be released to the western market. Releasing a game only to a select country isn't some thing i've come across yet. Certainly cuts down on your potential revenue.

[Stormin]

I didn't mean to kick up a hornets nest here, but as others have pointed out, the lack of information coming out of ED is very frustrating for people wishing to purchase this game (me being one of them).

 

Stormin -- i took your words literally, when my impression was that ED always intended FL to be released to the western market. Releasing a game only to a select country isn't some thing i've come across yet. Certainly cuts down on your potential revenue.

 

 

My apologies then, as I had the impression you were complaining when in fact it is now obvious that neither of us communicated very well.

 

The V1.1 FC product was primarily intended for the Russian/CIS market. 1C, a large software publisher based in Russia publishes the Lock On product line in Russia and the CIS. They ordered the V1.1 product from ED and entered in to an agreement with ED to develop it. The Westernized version was something ED did because they had permission from Ubi Soft, who own the rights to the Lock On product line in the West, to release an independent "unofficial" add on product. ED made the choice to use V1.1 FC as that one product.

[Guest ruggbutt]

ED made the choice to use V1.1 FC as that one product.

 

Does that mean we're SOL for the Ka50 then? I thought it was gonna go "in" 1.0 and 1.1.

[MBot]

I am wondering here too. I always assumed that ED had solved the "one independent addon only in Ubi's market" somehow. They anounced 1.1 and 1.2 together when they started communicating their addon plans, so I concluded that they also can sell both those addons in the west.

We will see, I am sure ED will find a solution ( or already has ).

[Dmut]

As far as ED's add-ons are "unofficial", they can release as many add-ons as they want to. But I think 1.2 will be the last one, since "LockOn" brand owned by UbiSoft, and ED dont want to support a brand, which is not belongs to it. After 1.2 we will see a brand new shiny baby from ED :)

[Ice]

I'm Excited!! :rolleyes:

[Nate Dogg]

big kev!!!

[BIOLOG]

Yeh, but new sim would appear probably only in about 2-3 years after 1.2 (and that might be optimistic)

[Dmut]

I woudn't say 2-3 years, since it is a _game_development_, everything can happen :)

I'd better say we will get that baby in our hands in this century :D

[Sharkypal]

Perhaps not.

 

I'll say whatever I want. If you don't like that's just too bad, isn't it?

 

What do you know from SimHQ? That I am rather direct? If you know me from SimHQ then you must be used to me. If not, well... get used to it.

 

The suggestion of shutting down the forum is hardly constructive. You'll get over it, I have.

 

What I have seen of you on SimHQ is that you're a sarcastic apologist. I won't be "getting used" to the way you behave because as far as I know, you don't work for anyone involved here and your inciteful posts do nothing to help ED or THEIR customers. All we asked for was some fairly regular updates on what was going on with regards to the online purchase of Flaming Cliffs. I am a little frustrated with waiting for the game, and in that frustration I may have been a little pushy, but that doesn't give you the right to come here and put down anyone who doesnt happen to share your point of view! Something I have seen you do numerous times on SimHQ.

 

There, you see, I can say what I want as well!! Oh, and I never suggested shutting down the forums.

 

Regards

 

S

[Stormin]

Does that mean we're SOL for the Ka50 then? I thought it was gonna go "in" 1.0 and 1.1.

 

That's for ED to say, not me. But let's not start speculating. They are working on a new project. The details will, I suspect, be forthcoming.

[Stormin]

I am wondering here too. I always assumed that ED had solved the "one independent addon only in Ubi's market" somehow. They anounced 1.1 and 1.2 together when they started communicating their addon plans, so I concluded that they also can sell both those addons in the west.

We will see, I am sure ED will find a solution ( or already has ).

 

I'm not an official spokesperson and I don't have all the information, but I would suspect that ED plans to move on to the next franchise so that they can do whatever they want without and Ubi entanglements.

 

Let's also remember that future Lock On product will most likely continue to be developed for the Russian/CIS market.

 

The exact details are something that ED will have to provide as what I am saying is based on what was going on when I was working with TFC/ED.

 

Let's wait for the official word.

[Stormin]

As far as ED's add-ons are "unofficial", they can release as many add-ons as they want to. But I think 1.2 will be the last one, since "LockOn" brand owned by UbiSoft, and ED dont want to support a brand, which is not belongs to it. After 1.2 we will see a brand new shiny baby from ED :)

 

They can do as many add ons as they wish in Russia/CIS. Ubi owns the rights for the Lock On product line in the West. Calling it "unofficial" doesn't prevent Ubi from being the license holder regarding the franchise. Of course TFC/ED could have come to an agreement with Ubi the I don't know about.

 

I think we all agree that regardless, it is time to move on to the new franchise, one that TFC/ED has control over without having to depend upon Ubi Soft.

[Stormin]

What I have seen of you on SimHQ is that you're a sarcastic apologist. I won't be "getting used" to the way you behave because as far as I know, you don't work for anyone involved here and your inciteful posts do nothing to help ED or THEIR customers. All we asked for was some fairly regular updates on what was going on with regards to the online purchase of Flaming Cliffs. I am a little frustrated with waiting for the game, and in that frustration I may have been a little pushy, but that doesn't give you the right to come here and put down anyone who doesnt happen to share your point of view! Something I have seen you do numerous times on SimHQ.

 

There, you see, I can say what I want as well!! Oh, and I never suggested shutting down the forums.

 

Regards

 

S

 

Sonny,

 

You are entitled to your misguided opinion. How am I being an "apologist"? Please provide some specific examples. I freely and proudly admit to being sarcastic and take that as a compliment, thanks very much.

 

I believe I have stated several times here and in other threads that I don't work for TFC/ED and I am only stating my opinions and information for which I have first hand knowledge. I do have a business relationship with TFC/ED on other matters than their commercial products. I happen to know a hell of a lot about Lock On, it's development and it's after-market cycles. If you don't like what I post then that's just too bad, isn't it? I said "get used to it" because I have no intentions of going away.

 

Gee, did I hurt your feelings by not accepting the crying and complaining? You'll get over it. I have. If you are going to be pushy then I am going to be sarcastic, OK?

 

I only tell it like it is, here and on other forums. If I "put someone down" on SimHQ then I suspect they had it coming to them.

 

I never stated that you suggested shutting down the forums, I was referring to the person who posted the message that started this silly argument. Pay attention.

 

Have a nice day.

[kaiserb_uk]

What BIOLOG said.

[Sharkypal]

Sonny,

 

You are entitled to your misguided opinion. How am I being an "apologist"? Please provide some specific examples. I freely and proudly admit to being sarcastic and take that as a compliment, thanks very much.

 

I believe I have stated several times here and in other threads that I don't work for TFC/ED and I am only stating my opinions and information for which I have first hand knowledge. I do have a business relationship with TFC/ED on other matters than their commercial products. I happen to know a hell of a lot about Lock On, it's development and it's after-market cycles. If you don't like what I post then that's just too bad, isn't it? I said "get used to it" because I have no intentions of going away.

 

Gee, did I hurt your feelings by not accepting the crying and complaining? You'll get over it. I have. If you are going to be pushy then I am going to be sarcastic, OK?

 

I only tell it like it is, here and on other forums. If I "put someone down" on SimHQ then I suspect they had it coming to them.

 

I never stated that you suggested shutting down the forums, I was referring to the person who posted the message that started this silly argument. Pay attention.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Buddy,

 

You need to get off your high horse! You speak as if you are never wrong. You couldn't offend me if you tried; I just find your pompous attitude and your severly inflated sense of self importance inappropriate.

 

Cheers

 

S