CTD's in MP after 1.0.2 patch

[KeyCat]

The funny thing (or sad) is that we have been flying just like you guys, for hours & hours - without such crashes on these servers.

 

Yea, I agree this is a wierd issue and still unanswered why it only affects some on the same server!? But non the less it's a real issue for several FC2/BS pilots and I'm also sure the hidden numbers are quite high as well since it's still early days after the patches and few people find there way to this support forums and have the time/energy/skill/will to report things like this (like my two friends) they just want to fly and if it doesn't work many just drops it for something else.

 

Anyway just to add some more facts in case it can shed some light on this issue. Along with the info in the "C:\WINDOWS\system32\kernel32.dll" crashes I noticed that this is written in the Event logger....

 

Faulting application simulator.exe, version 1.2.1.0, [b]faulting module [/b]
[b]protect.dll[/b], version 5.70.13.2, fault address 0x00e4ab94.

 

Without the insight (and knowledge) the dev's have all I can do is keep guessing like you but "what if" it's the StarForce protection thing that for some reason are playing tricks on some of us after the patching? Unlikely yes but just to add another theory to the mix ;)

 

/KC

Edited May 20, 2010 by KeyCat

[Panzertard]

Sorry, dont get me wrong, KC. I didnt intend to say that we are not worrying about crashes - I merely tried to imply that it's hard to reproduce for us.

If we cannot reproduce it, it's going to be hard to find a way to solve it.

That doesn't diminish the fact that it's quite frustrating for many users to experience this problem. A fact I fully respect. :)

Edited May 20, 2010 by Panzertard

[Ramstein]

..and you have nearly the same card as me, except mine's a Sapphire HD3850 AGP 512mb, i'm definately seeing a pattern here.

 

Heck, we nearly have the same kinda PC, here's my setup:

 

ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 Motherboard : Sapphire Radeon HD3850 512MB AGP : Core2Duo E7500 CPU : 2 GB Dual Channel Ram : Acer P235H 23" Monitor : 400GB HD : Enermax 450W PSU

 

Last year I dumped my ASrock motherboard, which was the same exact model as yours.. I got a large perfomance boost with a new $50 motherboard..

 

and the Radeon 3870 is not a great card... it's been at OK,, and that's about it..

 

I have been stuck with using very old video drivers (ATI Cat 8.9) because I fly IL-2 and al the later drivers have problems with IL-2. Blocky Text..

 

Back to getting errors,, I have no clue why I go the latest error.. as those file names make no sense to me,..

 

After I got that error, I restarted the game, joined the server, and did not get another error..

[KeyCat]

Sorry for my ramblings above guess I just have to blame the frustration :)

 

If we cannot reproduce it, it's going to be hard to find a way to solve it.

 

I didn't get you wrong and I fully understand that testers/dev's need to be able to reproduce the issue somehow in order to be able to fix it.

 

Lets hope we are on to something with that "2 GB RAM" mentioned in Mustangs thread but I see Dredge have 4 GB so maybe not.

 

Time and more testing will tell I guess...

 

/KC

Edited May 20, 2010 by KeyCat

[Dredge]

Dredge, if you can please also share your crashlog/s and/or

 

 

Sure thing. As soon as I get off work I will fire it up and get you a crash log. (thats really sad to say :( )

[Ramstein]

btw, with your Radeon video card, how is your picture graphics, as far as any Jaggies? I have a pretty good picture but still can get some small jaggies..

 

all My video card setting in catalyst are maxed out, I cannot get any better graphics out of it, it is set for quality in every settings..

 

I am eagerly awaiting for ATI to pull their heads out of their butts and release a new driver.. one that solves all my issues in a couple flight sims I fly..

:joystick:

 

==

..and you have nearly the same card as me, except mine's a Sapphire HD3850 AGP 512mb, i'm definately seeing a pattern here.

 

Heck, we nearly have the same kinda PC, here's my setup:

 

ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 Motherboard : Sapphire Radeon HD3850 512MB AGP : Core2Duo E7500 CPU : 2 GB Dual Channel Ram : Acer P235H 23" Monitor : 400GB HD : Enermax 450W PSU

[Mustang]

btw, with your Radeon video card, how is your picture graphics, as far as any Jaggies? I have a pretty good picture but still can get some small jaggies..

 

all My video card setting in catalyst are maxed out, I cannot get any better graphics out of it, it is set for quality in every settings..

 

I am eagerly awaiting for ATI to pull their heads out of their butts and release a new driver.. one that solves all my issues in a couple flight sims I fly..

:joystick:

 

==

 

I run 4xAA (Box) and now Adaptive AA just like in the settings shown below

 

 

and i run ingame at 1920x1080, results look pretty much like this

 

 

 

 

yeah, some *tiny* jaggies are still visible, but i tend not to notice them at all :)

Edited May 22, 2010 by Mustang

[baksie]

same issues here too.

CPU and GPU temps are all ok. Display goes black. PC is still running but have to hard reboot to get going again.

Sometimes after 5 mins sometimes more then 2 hours of playing. Both FC2 as well as DCS-BS.

 

Tried different sound drivers, reinstalled DX, different Video drivers.

 

Still no luck.

 

Have i7 980, W7, nvidia 280, 12 G RAM

[71st_Mastiff]

you running multiple displays? make sure you have if not running multiple displays you have single display performance checked int he nvidia control panel set in the 3d setting.

 

same issues here too.

CPU and GPU temps are all ok. Display goes black. PC is still running but have to hard reboot to get going again.

Sometimes after 5 mins sometimes more then 2 hours of playing. Both FC2 as well as DCS-BS.

 

Tried different sound drivers, reinstalled DX, different Video drivers.

 

Still no luck.

 

Have i7 980, W7, nvidia 280, 12 G RAM

[KeyCat]

For thoose who not own FC2 as well and maybe not read Mustangs thread over in the FC2 section http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=53874

 

The issue is somehow related to the sims memory management. At least we now know why and when these CTD's happens. For me the CTD happens everytime the simulator.exe process reaches the ~1.35 GB mark.

 

Since both FC2/BS are /LARGEADDRESSAWARE I also tried booting XP Pro with /3GB (both with and without the /USERVA=XXXX) but problem persists.

 

Additionally, with the /3GB switch enabled FC2/BS do not CTD instead it completely freezes when the simulator.exe RAM-usage reaches the ~1.35 GB mark (no error messages, logs etc) and I have to hard reset my PC :(

 

So on my rig it's not a matter of if FC2/BS CTD/freeze but when and this issue is effectively ruining the MP fun for me in both FC2 and BS!

 

/KC

Edited May 26, 2010 by KeyCat

[104th_Crunch]

KeyCat, I bet you did already, but can you please list your operating system and memory again?

[KeyCat]

KeyCat, I bet you did already, but can you please list your operating system and memory again?

 

Sure...

 

Core 2 Duo E6850

Gigabyte GA-EX38-DQ6 (Rev 1.1) with F4B BIOS

2 GB Corsair Dominator CM2X1024-8500C5D

Realtek ALC889A High Definition Audio System (Driver version R2.24)

GeForce GTX 260-216 896 MB (Driver version 191.07 WHQL)

Windows XP Pro SP 2 (32-bit) with DirectX 9.0c (February 2010 release)

FLCS & TQS with Digital F22 (Driver Ver: 1.03 SWF22 Hardware Ver: 1.01)

Antec TruePower Trio 550 W PSU

 

Also tried changing my paging file to various settings, currently set at min 2048 MB - max 8096 MB.

 

And while at it... Kudos to 104th for having one of the best MP servers up running! And just to clarify the problem is not related to your server, it's that when it gets crowded more RAM is used I guess and thats why I experienced the issue there first.

 

/KC

[104th_Crunch]

We had a very similar issue with the server using 2GB and WinXp 32. An upgrade to Win7 64 fixed it.

[KeyCat]

We had a very similar issue with the server using 2GB and WinXp 32. An upgrade to Win7 64 fixed it.

 

I agree that Windows 7 64-bit may be the future but it's not an option for me at the moment since MS decided to stop supporting the game port since Vista. I'm still using my old (but perfectly working) TM FLCS + TQS SWF22 Digital and flying FC2/BS without HOTAS is just not working for me.

 

And last time I checked XP was listed on ED's website of supported OS'es for both FC2 and BS.

 

Also this bug/issue is not bound to XP with 2 GB only. My two friends - Salsam and RedOne - are both running Vista with 4 GB RAM and are experiencing the exact same issue.

 

/KC

[71st_Mastiff]

I'm betting that your going to hold them to that? To make appoint?

 

I'm not trying to be facetious. But wouldn't be better if you just give in and upgrade at the most Vista 64bit I have XP32, Vista 32, and 64, win764..

 

FC runs perfect on 2 of the 4 guess which ones, thats right Vista 64, and win7 64,

 

So try Vista 64 I seem to have far less issues with that one.

 

Win7 64 bit I'm still on the fence because of driver issues with the Saitek STT software.

 

:thumbup:

 

I agree that Windows 7 64-bit may be the future but it's not an option for me at the moment since MS decided to stop supporting the game port since Vista. I'm still using my old (but perfectly working) TM FLCS + TQS SWF22 Digital and flying FC2/BS without HOTAS is just not working for me.

 

And last time I checked XP was listed on ED's website of supported OS'es for both FC2 and BS.

 

Also this bug/issue is not bound to XP with 2 GB only. My two friends - Salsam and RedOne - are both running Vista with 4 GB RAM and are experiencing the exact same issue.

 

/KC

[KeyCat]

I'm betting that your going to hold them to that? To make appoint?

 

And why shouldn't I? Something is porked with the memory handling and some of you guys are living in denial.

 

So try Vista 64 I seem to have far less issues with that one.

 

Re-read my post above!

 

/KC

Edited May 26, 2010 by KeyCat

[71st_Mastiff]

Not in denial just know when to upgrade..

 

And why shouldn't I? Something is porked with the memory handling and some of you guys are living in denial.

 

 

 

Re-read my post above!

 

/KC

[baksie]

I have Win 7 64 bit, 12Gb RAM and a 280 videocard.

HAving similar problem. Last night system hung within 5 mins. Rebooted and then played for more 2 hours.

To me it is totally random. Temps are all ok and system is not overclocked.

Did stress test on Video card, all fine.

 

BTW where can I find the error logs from BS and FC2 ?

[KeyCat]

BTW where can I find the error logs from BS and FC2 ?

 

Baksie, you find them in x:\<path to FC2/BS>\Temp directory.

 

/KC

[pyates2104]

I belive this hotfix from the vole fixes the problem:

 

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/979223

[KeyCat]

I belive this hotfix from the vole fixes the problem:

 

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/979223

 

A nonpaged pool memory leak occurs when you use a WFP callout driver in Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows Server 2008, or in Windows Server 2008 R2

 

Thanks for sharing but unfortunately not for us still running XP but hope it improve/fix the issue for you Vista/Win 7 guys, report back if you test it.

 

/KC

Edited May 28, 2010 by KeyCat

[Panzertard]

...application that uses a Windows Filtering Platform (WFP) callout driver. After the application is running for some time, a memory leak may occur in the nonpaged pool memory. In this situation, you may experience low performance on the computer.

 

Note WFP callout drivers are usually used in third-party antivirus and firewall programs.

It's nothing that fixes anything regarding DCS/FC2 - but rather you may have some other applications that are using WFP.

So perhaps a few of you guys are using the same firewall or antivirus?

[pyates2104]

Win 7 64 bit

I haven't had a CTD since I installed this patch. (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/979223 )

I suspect as was previously noted that some other app was using the memory up and the patch has cured the problem. I also observed gradual memory loss over a 3 hour period using perfmon before the patch and no memory loss after it.

[Panzertard]

Gents, would be nice to hear a bit about your security software such as Firewall / AV / Security Suites. :)

[KeyCat]

Personally I don't use any software firewall at all and AV is not running (i.e not loaded) while flying.

 

/KC