Dodging AAMRAAMs

[GGTharos]

There exists a guidance issue; it will eventually be eliminated and no amount of barrel rolling will save you, so again ... practicing poor tactics = will get hurt in the future.

 

Now you're making sense. Those are different than the one you posted initially. I'm on the road with a POS netbook so I just was able to see the Tac'S. :( Are you using the latest FC 2.0 ? Yes? It would be interesting if a barrel roll still junked missiles consistently.. consistently been the important feature.

[IvanK]

Are you saying an FC2 fix is on the way GG ?

[asparagin]

I'm surprised that this rolling still works so well.

 

Attached a normal high g dodge. (just add .acmi at the end of the file)

Tacview-20100522-191325.txt

Edited May 23, 2010 by asparagin

[GGTharos]

No; just saying some day bad habits will come back to bite people. Probably in DCS.

 

Are you saying an FC2 fix is on the way GG ?

[Pilotasso]

It already happened from FC1 to FC2.

[combatace]

The worst tactic done with at most precision will help survive. So, I will still stick to it.

[Pilotasso]

Hope so, the second will get you. :)

[combatace]

I never got caught after I started using this technique even in MP. So let see how long it goes.

[jetace]

Yes its work ,i have done some tests myself and can prove this ...avoided single missle

...but if there's a second missile coming at u from different angle( or just 2 sec behind first), boy you are in trouble !:poster_oops:

[combatace]

There exists a guidance issue; it will eventually be eliminated and no amount of barrel rolling will save you, so again ... practicing poor tactics = will get hurt in the future.

 

Ya of-course, you can bless it as much as you like. Still I'll dodge them with barrel rolls.

[GGTharos]

I think you have a severe lack of understanding of the efficiency that an error correction to guidance will bring.

 

Ya of-course, you can bless it as much as you like. Still I'll dodge them with barrel rolls.

[combatace]

Yes its work ,i have done some tests myself and can prove this ...avoided single missle

...but if there's a second missile coming at u from different angle( or just 2 sec behind first), boy you are in trouble !:poster_oops:

 

Try to change the direction after one roll and you will be able to dodge second too. By the I guess in real life a second missile will only be fired after first has missed because no pilot or AF would want to waste 400000$ in case the first missile makes a kill. Lost of developments have been made in this direction in both US and Russian systems to ensure that no 2 pilots engage the same target thus saving ammo.

 

But this is a SIM and missiles cost nothing so 2 can be fired at you but as I said changing the direction of role will make the second missile miss too.

[combatace]

I think you have a severe lack of understanding of the efficiency that an error correction to guidance will bring.

 

I know what understanding I have, don't feel like proving it to you. I already proved you wrong about dodging the Aim-120C with a barrel roll. And by the way bring the improved guidance system and I show you how that error can be induced in error correction.

Edited May 24, 2010 by combatace

[EtherealN]

By the I guess in real life a second missile will only be fired after first has missed because no pilot or AF would want to waste 400000$ in case the first missile makes a kill. Lost of developments have been made in this direction in both US and Russian systems to ensure that no 2 pilots engage the same target thus saving ammo.

 

Pricetag of the missiles are bubblegum compared to the fuel and related organization costs of operating the aircraft. The reason why real air forces don't waste missiles in combat is that their pilots and aircraft don't respawn after 5 seconds when they got killed because they ran into a fight and wasted all their offensive capability. It's not a question about how much does the missile cost, it's a question of "can we get replacements in fast enough after some loser tossed all of his into the water chasing some Ilyushin so we don't have to tell our pilots they have to fly with Sidewinders only until the trucks get there?"

 

When you are flying a 20-60 (or, for that matter, 100+) million dollar airframe, with 1-3 million dollars of education in the pilot, and an ungodly number of dollars more in infrastructure surrounding the deployment, you don't want to get your mission held up because someone ran out of ammo. ;)

Edited May 24, 2010 by EtherealN

[combatace]

Thats what I told sum up to, you just elaborated it which was just CS.

Edited May 24, 2010 by combatace

[GGTharos]

.... Magic? :D

 

It would have been impossible to do already (well tested) but our change was pulled back.

 

I know what understanding I have, don't feel like proving it to you. I already proved you wrong about dodging the Aim-120C with a barrel roll. And by the way bring the improved guidance system and I show you how that error can be induced in error correction.

[asparagin]

I know what understanding I have, don't feel like proving it to you. I already proved you wrong about dodging the Aim-120C with a barrel roll. And by the way bring the improved guidance system and I show you how that error can be induced in error correction.

 

There are many ways to play this sim. E.g.: I wouldn't use you tactic even if it would work excellent because I don't think it would in RL. And I want to have a realistic experience not to pawn in MP.

But that's just me.

[EtherealN]

Thats what I told sum up to, you just elaborated it which was just CS.

 

No, you talked about missile pricetag "in case first made a kill". I talked about logistics and keeping birds as active combatants as long as possible in an engagement. Complately different things. ;)

[DetroitDieseL]

I'd say the best realistic way to avoid being hit by a 120 ( not dodge )- is to do a 180 and climb the veer while climbing. Works for me with almost everything.

 

I'd like to see you doing barrel rolls til you "dodged" 1 or 2 120's IRL- you'd black out or puke all over the place.

[Pilotasso]

Best way to dodge is never get shot in the first place, second is to have stored energy to increase the escape window, but if your flying low...well...no dice.

[combatace]

I'd say the best realistic way to avoid being hit by a 120 ( not dodge )- is to do a 180 and climb the veer while climbing. Works for me with almost everything.

 

I'd like to see you doing barrel rolls til you "dodged" 1 or 2 120's IRL- you'd black out or puke all over the place.

 

 

I'm not going to sit idle when you are trying to fry my butts. when I would have dodged one of your you wont be there to fire another because these would be near zero change in closing rate even after you fired at me while you'll go defensive and thats what makes a lot of difference.

[combatace]

No, you talked about missile pricetag "in case first made a kill". I talked about logistics and keeping birds as active combatants as long as possible in an engagement. Complately different things. ;)

 

You didn't get whats CS, did you?

Edited May 25, 2010 by combatace

[GGTharos]

Or he'll roll you right back.

[Frostie]

Im guessing combatace gets shot down more times than a whore's knickers with his tactics, but dodging a few AMRAAMs now and then makes him feel like a HAWX vet.

Thats the spirit lad, one day you'll learn. ;)

[combatace]

Ya thats what I was expexcting more blessings for 120, I did't knew you can fire one from your tail too. And about guidance thing did you make it dance 360 degrees on its tail because now too it takes abrupt 90 degree turn without loss of energy and chases the target as if its not moving.