Gulf of Mexico oil slick

[diveplane]

pics speak for themselves

 

Gulf Shores, Alabama , first pic kinda angered me , laying sun tanning near think crude oil , arrogent selfish we are.

 

 

 

 

[diveplane]

definitly agreed . i just purchased a book that i'm waiting to receive . it's the memories of an Amazon indian chief whom tribe lives in harmony for ages with nature and the way of living is threatened by a dam project which threatens to submerge it all .

 

little OT but still fits.

see how the natives tried to rebel , fend off the whiteman settlers, they visioned and seen the nightmare even back then in there t pee tents.

 

 

one example being.

once the rifle and gun powder was invented , whiteman almost wiped out buffalo herds , that the native american indians depended on.

 

 

see why they faught to try protect there native lands.

 

today its still the same game played out , but on a bigger scale ,corp industries driven by greed glutton selfish arrogance.

masses of people below this command pecking order , are brain washed forced and controlled.

 

all about power and control by a few elite men.

gulf oil spill mess, caused by this glutton greed. think this is earth finally striking back on us, and the harm we have caused to this planet.

 

some media brain washes us , by saying its ok its only a little spill, everything will be fine.

 

personally i threw the square tv out the window eons ago ........> out it goes , use the internet for my source and news.

Edited June 21, 2010 by diveplane

[diveplane]

live BP cam feed ,link below . oil gushing from broken pipe sections, some scientists are starting to speculate , that the leaks are coming deep within the earths crust, never get to the oil leaks.

 

 

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html

Edited June 21, 2010 by diveplane

[Airway]

And what makes me most angry is this:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/17/tony-hayward-testimony-video_n_616690.html?ir=Green

 

Watch the video

[diveplane]

And what makes me most angry is this:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/17/tony-hayward-testimony-video_n_616690.html?ir=Green

 

Watch the video

 

sitting playing the blame games not going to change the fact man is still not advanced away from oil based products, and the big giant possibly global mess to clean up here.

 

wheres the great minds? for the new propulsion systems? , instead we waste trillions on weapons , stealth jets and space nonsence, we all use the oil, so its all hands on deck to clean the crap up.

 

i will clean long as i get paid doing it lol.

Edited June 22, 2010 by diveplane

[jpm1]

pics speak for themselves

 

Gulf Shores, Alabama , first pic kinda angered me , laying sun tanning near think crude oil , arrogent selfish we are.

 

 

maybe they already helped and they are just taking a bit of rest

 

 

... one example being.

once the rifle and gun powder was invented , whiteman almost wiped out buffalo herds , that the native american indians depended on.

 

see why they faught to try protect there native lands...

 

all about power and control by a few elite men.

gulf oil spill mess, caused by this glutton greed. think this is earth finally striking back on us, and the harm we have caused to this planet...

 

yeah civilisation brought us more security but sometimes we ask ourselves if it wasn't better before when there was no money

Edited June 23, 2010 by jpm1

[diveplane]

maybe they already helped and they are just taking a bit of rest

..................

 

wow no protective clothing ? again you could be right taking a rest, but thats a pee take of a rest lol

 

harmful toxins coming of that oil , dont think it would be wise to lay near it.

[Pilotasso]

sitting playing the blame games not going to change the fact man is still not advanced away from oil based products, and the big giant possibly global mess to clean up here.

 

wheres the great minds? for the new propulsion systems? , instead we waste trillions on weapons , stealth jets and space nonsence, we all use the oil, so its all hands on deck to clean the crap up.

 

i will clean long as i get paid doing it lol.

 

Sorry but I disagree. This is not a matter of stop doing military spending and divert the money elsewhere. There is enough money, but the oil interests are putting up the inertia for the transition over to cleaner energies. they will when it is convenient for the market and interests. Which isnt for now. It will take a while before oil production costs rises enough for this.

 

BTW, military spending is not needed just for war but to respond to many types of other crisis.

 

In another note, my country for example had a record of 80% rate of energy spending from renewable sources this winter, though thanx to a rigorous winter and colder than usual temperatures. :)

 

Nuclear fusion is going to take 50 more years to become commercialy avaiable but its coming. IMHO will be a major civilizational transition.

Edited June 22, 2010 by Pilotasso

[diveplane]

Sorry but I disagree. This is not a matter of stop doing military spending and divert the money elsewhere. There is enough money, but the oil interests are putting up the inertia for the transition over to cleaner energies. they will when it is convenient for the market and interests. Which isnt for now. It will take a while before oil production costs rises enough for this.

 

BTW, military spending is not needed just for war but to respond to many types of other crisis.

 

In another note, my country for example had a record of 80% rate of energy spending from renewable sources this winter, though thanx to a rigorous winter and colder than usual temperatures. :)

 

Nuclear fusion is going to take 50 more years to become commercialy avaiable but its coming. IMHO will be a major civilizational transition.

 

imo nulcear is not the way forward either think back to chernobyl as one example.

Edited June 22, 2010 by diveplane

[winz]

imo nulcear is not the way forward either think back to chernobyl as one example.

1) he's talking about fusion not fission, which is totaly different process. To my knowledge only one experimental reactor exists. ;)

2)Chernobyl has more to it than 'it was a fision reactor'. Faulty design, regular staff unaware on design flaws, breaking of operation procedures...

[diveplane]

1) he's talking about fusion not fission, which is totaly different process. To my knowledge only one experimental reactor exists. ;)

2)Chernobyl has more to it than 'it was a fision reactor'. Faulty design, regular staff unaware on design flaws, breaking of operation procedures...

 

still nuclear has waste , what you going to do with the waste spent rods? radioactive coolants?

its a bum deal amfraid , unsafe reagrdless of what method is used fusion or fission.

thats good bury the waste underground or inside a mountain incased in concrete hope for the best eh?

you would soon change you tune if the crap was buried near you, or a nuke plant near you.

thats the mindset selfish attitude we all have , long as the waste is miles away from my location.

 

sorry but am against nuclear.

Edited June 22, 2010 by diveplane

[winz]

Nuclear fusion doesn't produce nuclear waste the way fission does it. Fusion is the same process that powers life on earth - proces going on in stars. Afaik the only waste in ITER (experimental fusion reactor) is Helium, as a result of deuterium and tritium fusion. It's one the cleanest energy sources.

 

Also, in terms of waste disposal in fision reactor - technology has advanced in this field as well. Much more waste then before can be processed for another usage.

[Pilotasso]

Right.

1) he's talking about fusion not fission, which is totaly different process. To my knowledge only one experimental reactor exists. ;)

 

Soon there will be one, being built in France that's going to actually produce energy. 10 times more than it spends. It will run for decades for testing. This is a major milestone for clean and abundant energy. Unfortunately the wait will be long before we see them fusion reactors widespread over the planet.

 

here:

 

http://www.iter.org/

[mikoyan]

I'm sorry Pro-Obama people but this is what I think:

What makes me really mad is that it took 41 days for the president to start asking who's ass to kick; seriously what a lack of love for his country, if it were me I would have kick some asses the day after; What a lack of leadership. ok ok the president can't go down there and stop the leak; but why let this bp people keep working when they clearly have shown their incapability to solve the issue. Isn't this country filled with brilliant scientist and engineers? Let then work for their country!

[mikoyan]

Sorry but I disagree. This is not a matter of stop doing military spending and divert the money elsewhere. There is enough money, but the oil interests are putting up the inertia for the transition over to cleaner energies. they will when it is convenient for the market and interests. Which isnt for now. It will take a while before oil production costs rises enough for this.

 

BTW, military spending is not needed just for war but to respond to many types of other crisis.

 

In another note, my country for example had a record of 80% rate of energy spending from renewable sources this winter, though thanx to a rigorous winter and colder than usual temperatures. :)

 

Nuclear fusion is going to take 50 more years to become commercialy avaiable but its coming. IMHO will be a major civilizational transition.

 

What can we expect when government officials own big part of the oil business, I just don't see commitment on the leaders of this country to make this country the great country its founders ambition. It is painful to watch even though I'm not a citizen (just a resident here)

[PeterP]

I'm sorry Pro-Obama people but this is what I think:

What makes me really mad is that it took 41 days for the president to start asking who's ass to kick; seriously what a lack of love for his country, if it were me I would have kick some asses the day after; What a lack of leadership. ok ok the president can't go down there and stop the leak; but why let this bp people keep working when they clearly have shown their incapability to solve the issue. Isn't this country filled with brilliant scientist and engineers? Let then work for their country!

:smilewink:this has to go to the "Funny stuff" thread!

 

But please don't forget to mention the presidents before Obama that made it happen that great companies can do waht they want...- and forget a silly,little shut-off vale.:doh:

edit: not everyone in this thread is a American citizen.

Edited June 23, 2010 by PeterP

[sobek]

Afaik the only waste in ITER (experimental fusion reactor) is Helium, as a result of deuterium and tritium fusion. It's one the cleanest energy sources.

 

No offense, but you know wrong. :) The intense hard neutron radiation caused by the fusion 'pollutes' the reactor walls, making them radioactive. This is of course much less of a problem than with fission, but still, fusion produces radioactive waste that has to be disposed of every now and then. Currently, production of tritium produces nuclear waste as well but it is expected that future tokamak projects will create their own tritium.

 

There is also way more than one reactor atm.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokamak#Currently_in_operation

Edited June 23, 2010 by sobek

[sobek]

still nuclear has waste , what you going to do with the waste spent rods? radioactive coolants?

its a bum deal amfraid , unsafe reagrdless of what method is used fusion or fission.

 

Yes there is nuclear waste, but as science progresses, with fusion there is the possibility to reduce the half life of the waste produced to manageable times(in the order of hundreds of years instead of thousands). The amount is also way less than with fission.

 

Regarding safety, reactors require conditions for the fusion to work that the fusion reaction alone can not keep up. The plasma has to be contained by massive electromagnetic fields or the reaction stops in an instant. Therefore with fusion, runaways and core meltdowns like Chernobyl or Three Mile Island are utterly unthinkable.

Edited June 23, 2010 by sobek

[winz]

Thanks for the correction :)

[jpm1]

Sorry but I disagree. This is not a matter of stop doing military spending and divert the money elsewhere. There is enough money, but the oil interests are putting up the inertia for the transition over to cleaner energies. they will when it is convenient for the market and interests. Which isnt for now. It will take a while before oil production costs rises enough for this.

 

BTW, military spending is not needed just for war but to respond to many types of other crisis.

 

In another note, my country for example had a record of 80% rate of energy spending from renewable sources this winter, though thanx to a rigorous winter and colder than usual temperatures. :)

 

Nuclear fusion is going to take 50 more years to become commercialy avaiable but its coming. IMHO will be a major civilizational transition.

 

oil industry isn't energy only , there are also derivatives like plastic but i totally agree with you when you say powerful lobbies whose oil one is part of have no interest in seeing ecological alternatives succeed . i've been surprised to see how with a bit of imagination it's easy to produce clean electricity (rolls on water , etc) . in France some guys drive with frying in their engines , some countrymen make their own gas with beetroots but the governement forbidde them to do it . concerning nuclear fusion i can't tell discovering the stuff now but personnally i changed my electricity provider for a 100% clean one because the precedent had a too maked position about nuclear , creating a waste that lasts long 200 000 years for lighting up a bulb , i mean we shouldn't even be here talking about it

Edited June 23, 2010 by jpm1

[winz]

in France some guys drive with frying in their engines

You call that clean energy?

[diveplane]

raining oil now ?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un8co1d4zb4&feature=player_embedded

Edited June 24, 2010 by diveplane

[Kuky]

those slicks could be oils/petrol residue that was on the ground and washes of when it rain

Edited June 24, 2010 by Kuky
"are" changed to "could be" :-)

[diveplane]

dont watch if you get angered easy , wildlife being affected by this major oil leak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acNh6YdLALM&feature=related

Edited June 24, 2010 by diveplane

[diveplane]

those slicks are oils/petrol residue that was on the ground and washes of when it rains

 

yea but all over the place? that was his point in the video , where that oil coming from?

Edited June 24, 2010 by diveplane