have I improved

[InFireBaptize]

In my experience Heading Hold keeps the Helo from wanting to drift (i.e. sideslip) off course, maybee I am wrong but that seems to be the effect it has for me. Notice if you have it on and have a trim set the helo will want to go toward it even at an angle (It wants to fly at an angle causing you to fight to turn it). Perhaps one of these other guys can explain it better. Autoturn To Target (ATT) makes your heading center with the piper. I have never used it outside of hover. It makes the helo chase it kind of like it chases the diamond. Go into a hover and activate your vickers and just slew the piper around. See what happens? The helo chases it around, You can actually turn your helicopter just by slewing your piper and not even touching the cyclic. I think I answered your question if not tell me and I'll try agian. By the way did anybody watch my track? I'm open for technique critique. If needed I will make a track and demonstrate ATT for you, just ask. I need to leave so it will be later tonight before I can pose one though (about 11pm CST).

 

Thanks ZQuick,

 

Nate--IRL-- said: Holding the trim, your centre point is at the old position, until the trim button is released.

[pingo]

Hi pingo. I decided to include another track to show our very different flying styles. I was just kind of playing around in the city to show how I trim the helo. The flight was'nt planed so It is kind of all over the place. I topped it off with a super fast landing (I usually go for more like 60 or so though I think 80 is recommended), though it could have been cleaner but, ya know it was pretty fast so..... I do think I may adopt some of your technique though. Props to you friend for introducing me to new techniques. Now if I could just get Frazer's techniques................. lol

 

Nice go I liked it, keep hanging in and rock the beast. The landing! Hmm I would`nt dare to do that - afraid of crashing :D

 

Regarding Frazer`s techniques. I would`nt know, but could be that he was born in a helicopter and was handled the controls right after birth or was it the game controls (I like his videos). Sorry Frazer could`nt resist :smilewink:

 

/Pingo

[Tracer2k]

Today i was just goofing around and abusing the shark, the usual :lol: and suddenly i clipped the rotors, but i have no idea why it happened. i could not find any apparent reason for it. Could someone tell me why :P ill attach the track

Shark Abuse.trk

[winz]

High speed + strong right rudder = problems :)

 

You have to be carefull with strong inputs while flying high speed.

[Tracer2k]

High speed + strong right rudder = problems :)

 

You have to be carefull with strong inputs while flying high speed.

 

ok thanks, maybe i learned something from that :thumbup:

[lvl4f]

Hello I use the trim this way, applying touch short, do not leave it pressed.

 

to use trim its fundamental the level of sensitivity of ours joystick.

 

Here I leave one demo using the touch short system. A greeting.

 

P.S.: Sry for my english. :(

Short Touch in TRIMM.trk

Edited June 30, 2010 by lvl4f

[cb900_157]

ok if i download the tracks to learn form please , im new to the Black Shark too .

[Zenra]

ok if i download the tracks to learn form please , im new to the Black Shark too .

These tracks are great to learn from. I was particularly inspired by pingo's "air taxi" approach. His track, "Re Improved.trk", is IMO a beautiful demonstration of how the Shark can be controlled precisely. I am nowhere near his level of skill yet, but I have gotten into the habit of "flying the taxiways" with leftover fuel after missions to practice.

 

Thanks again for the tracks.

[Baal1606687932]

I was trying to achieve the same effect as pingo in his "Re Improved.trk". In this track the Shark does not back to selected heading when trimmed.

In fact this cannot be done unless "Game flight mode" is turned on.

[Kifter]

Baal makes an interesting point. As far as I understood the Shark should only yaw to trimmed heading when the DH DT (desired heading or desired track) switch is set to the centre position and the flight director is turned on. In this mode the HSI will display whatever heading you trimmed in and the aircraft will always yaw to put you on that heading. The only other time I can think of that the aircraft auto yaws to put you on a heading is when you enable the auto turn function on the targeting computer and then uncage and position the Shkval.

 

However, just like Baal describes, it seems the aircraft always does this anyway whether the flight director is on or off and irrespective of the position of the DH DT switches position. The only way I could get the auto turn to trimmed heading feature to turn off is by turning off the heading auto pilot.

 

It seems odd to me that they would add a feature whereby the flight director in combination with the DHDT switches position controls the aircraft to always stay on heading when this feature is already provided for by the autopilot when the heading channel is enabled, seems kind of redundant unless it's a backup method to maintaining heading control?

 

I welcome anyone with more insight to enlighten me!

[winz]

DH and DT selector doesn't come into play when you do not have route mode engaged.

I would suggest reading this http://www.simhq.com/_air13/air_429a.html to better understand the AP fucntion and realtions with trim.

[Kifter]

Thank you for the link to the excellent article Winz. I'm reading now as I eat my cereal. :thumbup:

 

Also Bigdog, I've watched your track and I would suggest just making gentler inputs. If you find yourself extending your cyclic a lot in any particular direction that is an immediate sign you need to trim. Trim and get your stick back to centre and start making those controlled gentle inputs again. I tend to try to only pitch as much as 30degrees in any direction, usually only 20 actually when slowing down or gaining speed.

 

Always keep glancing at the VVI while you make inputs on the cycle, keep that needle on 0 and constantly be fine tuning throttle. I find the mechanical VVI to be a lot more sensitive and accurate than the VVI on the HUD. I'm no master pilot but I've found by adjusting throttle you get a feel for the engines performance range, you know when you're enter a dangerous control situation if you're piling in the throttle and you can hear the aircrafts blades really "lopping" into the air. :joystick:

[Baal1606687932]

I saw the track recorded by pingo and it was really impressive. I thought that this kind of taxi can be really good start point for learning BS, but each time I was trying to perform an airtaxi my heli keeps back to last trimed heading. It was impossible for me to fly like that using trimmer only once and without fighting my own trim. I watched the track once again and I took control over the aircraft. I was able to accelerate to 250 km/h using only cyclic without loosing my altitude.

Pingo was flying using "Game flight mode" in this track. It is the reason why this track is so impressive :)

[pingo]

I was trying to achieve the same effect as pingo in his "Re Improved.trk". In this track the Shark does not back to selected heading when trimmed.

In fact this cannot be done unless "Game flight mode" is turned on.

 

mmm, correct. Dont know about how it works in "Game mode" as I only fly "Real".

 

My goal with this and other tracks I posted, was to give new "pilots" and of cause also pilots, who have some problems regarding controling the aircraft a get go on how I practice.

 

I do not fly alot with autopilot only on long flights or FD if I thoose another route or approach to target (planing inflight, throwing a bear down my neck during flight:megalol:). For me it`s about planning the flight - infact it`s as much important to plan a flight in a non combat zone as it is in a combat zone in my world anyway :music_whistling:.

 

So!

1. Trim is there to assist in controling the "beast" not flying it for you. You! are the pilot in command, not the automatics :P

 

2. apply only automatics if you master above to 100% or your likeing. When activating autoroute or whatever you should still be the pilot in command not the automatic (you pushed the button, right):D

 

I still practice.

[pingo]

I saw the track recorded by pingo and it was really impressive. I thought that this kind of taxi can be really good start point for learning BS, but each time I was trying to perform an airtaxi my heli keeps back to last trimed heading. It was impossible for me to fly like that using trimmer only once and without fighting my own trim. I watched the track once again and I took control over the aircraft. I was able to accelerate to 250 km/h using only cyclic without loosing my altitude.

Pingo was flying using "Game flight mode" in this track. It is the reason why this track is so impressive :)

 

It say game mode as I have radio assist on I belive the FM in options are set on sim mode. No difference when it comes to handling the shark. I can do a new track if you want? :P

[Kifter]

Here's my short track having a little fun around the airfield. Nothing too controlled I guess! I need to watch that altitude gain on the turns. :pilotfly:

Kifs Track.trk

[Baal1606687932]

Here's my short track having a little fun around the airfield. Nothing too controlled I guess! I need to watch that altitude gain on the turns. :pilotfly:

I like your track Kifter, but im not so good pilot, so it is hard to say for me what can be improved. Im having trouble with controling altitude during turns too, but im working on it. Also im a sideslip flyier most of the time:)

 

It say game mode as I have radio assist on I belive the FM in options are set on sim mode. No difference when it comes to handling the shark. I can do a new track if you want? :P

"Game flight mode" is a flight mode from arcade/game presets. With GFM turned on it seems that you cannot raise heli's nose too high (perform a loop), so Shark behaviour is greatly affected. Simulation pressets have "Game flight mode", "Game avionics mode" and "Radio Assists" turned off by default.

 

Btw,

Finally i was able to record my own airtaxi. It is harder to perform , so I was flying with "Altitude hold" on.

AirTaxi.trk

[pingo]

I like your track Kifter, but im not so good pilot, so it is hard to say for me what can be improved. Im having trouble with controling altitude during turns too, but im working on it. Also im a sideslip flyier most of the time:)

 

 

"Game flight mode" is a flight mode from arcade/game presets. With GFM turned on it seems that you cannot raise heli's nose too high (perform a loop), so Shark behaviour is greatly affected. Simulation pressets have "Game flight mode", "Game avionics mode" and "Radio Assists" turned off by default.

 

Btw,

Finally i was able to record my own airtaxi. It is harder to perform , so I was flying with "Altitude hold" on.

 

Aha thx for heads up (no dot in Game mode though). Could be I have a bad install, but as my cougar have gone south :( Im grounded hope to be back sune with a new one - IL2 killed it :D

[Nose Nuggets]

Aha thx for heads up (no dot in Game mode though). Could be I have a bad install, but as my cougar have gone south :( Im grounded hope to be back sune with a new one - IL2 killed it :D

 

 

thats weird, i had the same experience as the other guy. when i took control of your track and turned all the AP off it was almost impossible to crash the thing. it just returns to a level hover no matter what you do with the inputs.

 

 

QuickSilvers CrazyTrimming track is pretty damn impressive, though. It has helped me out a lot.

[ZQuickSilverZ]

Thank you Nose Nuggets for the compliment. I am very glad the track helped you. Pingo is very talanted. He and I fly so differently that it might be worth looking his track over also. One thing to remember about trimming that I find helps most people is this, the helo ALMOST always wants to follow that diamond in the HUD (save a few exceptions). So if you are having trouble and having to fight the chopper look and see where that diamond is (it represents where your trim is set).

Edited August 5, 2010 by ZQuickSilverZ

[a1adin]

thanks for all the track files especially ZquickSilverZ and pingo.

I learn a lot from watching yours. :thumbup:

However, it seems that both of you fly in no wind condition.

 

How about making some track files in bad weather / windy condition?

I find it much harder to fly and trim in those weather.

Any tips? :helpsmilie:

Edited August 9, 2010 by a1adin

[ZQuickSilverZ]

Honestly a1adin I have only really ever flown online I don't even know how to do that.

[a1adin]

sorry, maybe I am not quite clear, I edit my previous post.

 

Could you make another track file of your flying in bad weather?

there is a training mission for flying in bad weather from dragon:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=46354

[aairon]

sorry, maybe I am not quite clear, I edit my previous post.

 

Could you make another track file of your flying in bad weather?

there is a training mission for flying in bad weather from dragon:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=46354

 

 

Oh YES! I would love that, I am having some trouble with everything that happens when weather/wind etc.. is introduced, a .trk file of a experienced good pilot like quicksilver and pingo would help me a lot.

Edited August 10, 2010 by aairon

[Zenra]

+1