Lulac Posted June 20, 2010 Posted June 20, 2010 . . . well it's not polite to ask about someone salary but I wonder how much money makes pilot's in different air forces . . . especially US Navy and USAF ?! I ask that because I watched some videos and it's obvious that pilot's have lot of fun during these flights . . . and just imagine to do the things that You love and being payed for that ! ! ! That's the perfect job . . . [sIGPIC]D:\avioni\razno\potpis 1 orao.jpg[/sIGPIC]
Peyoteros Posted June 20, 2010 Posted June 20, 2010 Would be interesting to know what you think about it when you have few serious SAM's incoming, or getting shot behind enemy line, or worse... "Eagle Dynamics" - simulating human madness since 1991 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] ۞ ۞
Pilotasso Posted June 20, 2010 Posted June 20, 2010 (edited) Slighly less than 2000 Euros per month when you start flying jets here. As soon as you get promoted to captain and above salary rockets up. Its not all fun, its risky. Pilots complain here that Salary is too low for a high stress job. Its no fun either when your body resents the G's. It can end your career and put you flying that cargo plane downtown Hong Kong minus the dog poo. :D Fighter pilots have it hard to keep female companies around, family suffers, gf and wife suffers, and suprisingly also sex life suffers. And when switching over to civilian airliners your salary doubles and chicks drop by your lap. So its well paid compared to normal jobs but not without its disadvantages. Edited June 20, 2010 by Pilotasso .
swtx Posted June 20, 2010 Posted June 20, 2010 They don't make huge salaries. Here is a page that will bring you up to speed. It doesn't matter what your job is the pay is all the same.:thumbup: http://www.navy.com/navy/joining/benefits/pay.html
Lulac Posted June 20, 2010 Author Posted June 20, 2010 C-mon guys, You are talking with army sargent with more then 15 years of army life :music_whistling: - so please give me a break with "what if . . . " @swtx - thx, that was I'm looking for :thumbup:. [sIGPIC]D:\avioni\razno\potpis 1 orao.jpg[/sIGPIC]
Peyoteros Posted June 20, 2010 Posted June 20, 2010 There are generals who pissed their pants... "Eagle Dynamics" - simulating human madness since 1991 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] ۞ ۞
rattler Posted June 20, 2010 Posted June 20, 2010 This is a link for Canada and its military pilots. http://www.forces.ca/html/pilot_reg_en.aspx The only thing I can say is, the hours of work are not quite what they say. Sometimes it is and well to be honest more times it is not. You are a military man, so you understand , training etc. takes up a lot of time, plus deployment in todays enviroment eats away at your personal life. Hope this info is helpful to you. Cheers.:thumbup:
Boberro Posted June 20, 2010 Posted June 20, 2010 Second Lieutenant earns about 800-900 Euro in Poland. But you have to keep in mind you have thirteen salary, various finance "add-ons" ect. However it is still low. Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
Lulac Posted June 20, 2010 Author Posted June 20, 2010 Well, I ask this because pilots are the elite in every army in the world . . . [sIGPIC]D:\avioni\razno\potpis 1 orao.jpg[/sIGPIC]
rattler Posted June 20, 2010 Posted June 20, 2010 Second Lieutenant earns about 800-900 Euro in Poland. But you have to keep in mind you have thirteen salary, various finance "add-ons" ect. However it is still low. Well I can't quote Canadian Salaries as at this point I am not sure. I could give a real good guess but like you say , It also varies here as well. I do know that for the Education Required to become a Pilot in the Canadian Armed Forces, that the salaries would be low considering this point alone. I do know for the most part our Canadian F-18 pilots are young overall and I do know for a fact that our Search and Rescue helio pilots get burnt out, due to the stress of very intense flying conditions. Unfortunately all the glory seems to go to the Civilian Pilots and their salaries are reflected in what they fly and whether they fly International or Domestic. In North America Civilian Pilots are really subject to the Economy and we have a lot of out of work pilots.Cheers.
rattler Posted June 20, 2010 Posted June 20, 2010 (edited) Well, I ask this because pilots are the elite in every army in the world . . . I don't think you would get a Canadian Pilot to think that. They are a close group as in F-18 pilots, Search and Rescue etc. but I don't think any would deem themselves Elite. They have different roles to play and that's the way they look at it, based on my close contact with them. They are a great bunch of people but I don't think they feel they are Elite in any way. Not in Canada. Are we as Canadians Proud of them, Yes, as we are with each and everyone who serves.............Not just in Canada. We owe them all a great debt. Edited June 20, 2010 by rattler
Lulac Posted June 20, 2010 Author Posted June 20, 2010 From my perspective (frog perspective from the mud :smilewink:) they look like elite to me :D. [sIGPIC]D:\avioni\razno\potpis 1 orao.jpg[/sIGPIC]
rattler Posted June 20, 2010 Posted June 20, 2010 From my perspective (frog perspective from the mud :smilewink:) they look like elite to me :D. Well, I think looks are deceiving. Grass always looks greener on other side.:D
EtherealN Posted June 20, 2010 Posted June 20, 2010 Well, I ask this because pilots are the elite in every army in the world . . . They've also been given a hugely expensive education for free that they can use later to rake in a lot of money in the civilian world. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
Lulac Posted June 20, 2010 Author Posted June 20, 2010 Well, I think looks are deceiving. Grass always looks greener on other side.:D . . . Top Gun, Tom Cruise and Kelly McGillis to blaim :D [sIGPIC]D:\avioni\razno\potpis 1 orao.jpg[/sIGPIC]
Lulac Posted June 20, 2010 Author Posted June 20, 2010 They've also been given a hugely expensive education for free that they can use later to rake in a lot of money in the civilian world. not quiet for free! After that education You must work out couple years in service and then You are free to go. Other wise You must pay for all Your education . . . [sIGPIC]D:\avioni\razno\potpis 1 orao.jpg[/sIGPIC]
rattler Posted June 20, 2010 Posted June 20, 2010 They've also been given a hugely expensive education for free that they can use later to rake in a lot of money in the civilian world. Only if they are ROT program. Most pay for their own education. Even ROT have to give at least 5 years to the Military Sevice or pay back ALL education fees.
rattler Posted June 20, 2010 Posted June 20, 2010 (edited) They've also been given a hugely expensive education for free that they can use later to rake in a lot of money in the civilian world. Not quite the same in Canada. You give 5 years of service after Education, also spend Summers with Military and if in a conflict situation which we find ourselves in then posssibly longer. If you opt out and that is not easy then you pay back what the MIlitary has invested. Not as free a ride as you may think. Now try and find a job in the Civilian world of today with many pilots out of work, now what do you do. Also not many Private business vocations available and seeing as you have no experience other than being a Military Pilot, your education is not going to help a great deal. While you were flying others were busy getting experience in civilian market. Not as black and white as one would think. Edited June 20, 2010 by rattler
Prophet4no1 Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 In the US, pay is more about your pay grade than your job. And your pay grade goes up with rank, for the most part. Figure most fighter pilots are LT's. So, they don't get paid a lot. You pretty much walk out of the accadamy at LT. And you need the accadamy to be a fighter pilot. It's pretty much officer only. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Eddie Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 RAF pilots start on around £34k, including their flying pay, although it does go a lot higher depending on rank and length of service.
EtherealN Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Not quite the same in Canada. You give 5 years of service after Education, also spend Summers with Military and if in a conflict situation which we find ourselves in then posssibly longer. If you opt out and that is not easy then you pay back what the MIlitary has invested. Not as free a ride as you may think. I have friends in the air force, I know how it works. ;) Your points do not negate mine however: while on your mandatory service term you get lower salaries than might be expected (with the risk/"elite" stuff - should be noted that some branches of infantry equal or surpass pilots in that), if you stay on and rise in pay grade through experience things go good, or you find a job in the civilian or contractor sector and rake in the cash. Alternative being to pay your education up front and go directly to civilian/contractor and start paying back your loans with large parts of your paychecks for a couple years. But the civilian sector does contain jobs that favor ex-military and pay rediculously well. An acquaintance of mine has an uncle who pulled in ~10k dollars US per month operating "regular" transport helicopters in less than regular environments. Not many jobs in the military that can land you that type of paycheck - and those that get close will typically be desk-jobs. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
Lulac Posted June 21, 2010 Author Posted June 21, 2010 . . . sorry about my ignorance :cry:, but can You translate me "34k", "10k" (?) . . . They didn't teach us this kind of stuff in English classes . . . :book: [sIGPIC]D:\avioni\razno\potpis 1 orao.jpg[/sIGPIC]
Avilator Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 The k stands for kilo, which in the metric system, is 1,000. So "34k" = $34,000 dollars per year. (Gross income before taxes, I presume) I only respond to that little mechanical voice that says "Terrain! Terrain! Pull Up! Pull Up!" Who can say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow. -Robert Goddard "A hybrid. A car for enthusiasts of armpit hair and brown rice." -Jeremy Clarkson "I swear by my pretty floral bonet, I will end you." -Mal from Firefly
Lulac Posted June 21, 2010 Author Posted June 21, 2010 Grazzie :) [sIGPIC]D:\avioni\razno\potpis 1 orao.jpg[/sIGPIC]
rattler Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 I have friends in the air force, I know how it works. ;) Your points do not negate mine however: while on your mandatory service term you get lower salaries than might be expected (with the risk/"elite" stuff - should be noted that some branches of infantry equal or surpass pilots in that), if you stay on and rise in pay grade through experience things go good, or you find a job in the civilian or contractor sector and rake in the cash. Alternative being to pay your education up front and go directly to civilian/contractor and start paying back your loans with large parts of your paychecks for a couple years. But the civilian sector does contain jobs that favor ex-military and pay rediculously well. An acquaintance of mine has an uncle who pulled in ~10k dollars US per month operating "regular" transport helicopters in less than regular environments. Not many jobs in the military that can land you that type of paycheck - and those that get close will typically be desk-jobs. I have relatives that would like to find those High paying jobs.;)Yes they are ex-military. I also have a brother-in-law who teaches Helio. a/c machanics and works in the summer for the Chopper Company he worked for before he took the teaching position. Their pilots fly all over the world on contract and would love to know where those jobs are also.;) I think IMHO of course that your reference is the exception rather than the rule. My Father,Myself and my extended married family are and were in the aviation industry. Both Military and Civilian. Those jobs you speak of are as rare as hens teeth. Now lets not get this to far out of perspective. My reference is what is in Canada only. I do know of the Civilian Pilots salaries and to get top salary that you mention you would have to be an International Pilot(first seat). Yes they would make the salary you have mentioned. Those jobs today are very hard to achieve. You would not jump from the military to one of those Pilot Positions under any conditions. If you would like I can tell you exactly what the average Chopper pilot makes. I just need to make a phone call to my brother-in-law. Yes they pay well I just don't know how much in order to answer your question correctly. I do know they are away from home most of the time on contract. Lets just say that we each experience some what similar views and no one is wrong in the info in these posts. Yes pilot positions could and are at times very well paying jobs. I think you would agree with me that their salaries are well earned. As in ,time spent away from family,risk etc.Cheers E.:thumbup::) Oh, E. Not trying to negate your thoughts by the way, I just have a different but similar point of view.:)
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