Looking for F-15C + 8x AIM-120

[VTJS17_Fire]

Maybe, this could be a R-77 launch by a Su-30?

 

 

What ever - I know, I saw such a picture (R-77 on su-30) ... looking for that picture.

 

EDIT: Not that picture I saw, but a Su-30MKI with 4 R-77:

Source: http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Current/Fighters/Su30MKI/

 

 

@mvsgas: Nice found. 3 AMRAAMs on the wing pylons - but still no picture with 8 at all. :(

 

 

kind regards,

Fire

Edited September 3, 2010 by VTJG17_Fire

[Pilotasso]

No rocket motors in the last picture. ;) First picture shows test firings. Probably export RVV-AE and of course it was for Vympel or sukhoi (integration tests?), not RuAF. ;)

 

RuAF will have the domestic version of RVV-SD, but since it was only unveiled last year I guess it will take them some time before fielding it. But no R-77 (superseded already)

Edited September 3, 2010 by Pilotasso

[mikoyan]

probably all this pictures are fake or mock ups and the last picture probably is not a russian airforce su-27

 

http://sistemadearmas.sites.uol.com.br/aam/r77.html

 

[Pilotasso]

First picture appear to show indian personnel. They have RVV-AE's integrated on their Su-MKI's and missiles in stock (about a 1000 purchased).

 

Last picture is clearly a missile test. Check the missile paint.

[MoGas]

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/nearly-half-of-russian-airtoair-missiles-with-iaf-have-homing-ageing-problems-cag-report/490055/0

[tflash]

Pilotasso, arguing that RuAF doesn't have or cannot field R-77 class missile is rather futile. They can build it, they can produce it, their aircraft can carry it.

 

I am sure no Nato planner whatever is trying to prove they can't. Most scenario's start from the scenario they can, or that at least a credible Flanker-owner-turned-out-foe could field them in a conflict.

 

Instead of following this dubious course, we should focus on the question at hand: who can find a picture of F-15C carrying 8 Amraam?

[Pilotasso]

Tflash, the R-77 was to be originally produced in Ukraine factories at the time of USSR. When it broke out Russia started to make missiles using commercially available components so did not incorporate it onto their inventory but rather exported instead. RuAF always use domestic components only.

This is changing however. Bit by bit they start making russian components domestically. And thus the they started developing an evolution of the RVV-AE, the article 170-1 and its export version the RVV-SD.

 

Another reason why the R-77 was not adopted was because Russia halted integration of the R-77 on Mig-29S model 9-13 of which fewer than 20 were ever built, and they were scattered among ex soviet states at the breakup.

Russia then started an upgrade program to bring Mig-29A into S standard. But it was incremental and none were fully upgraded in one step. To this time there is no evidence RuAF has R-77's capable Mig's and no evidence to have these missiles in stock.

AFAIK it was never integrated in the flanker, only the RVV-AE years later (hence the pictures above). So did other models of Mig and were all exported.

 

Su-27SM has active missile capability, so will SU-35 and the descendant of PAK-FA. They should be equipped with article 170-1 in the next few years.

Edited September 5, 2010 by Pilotasso

[mvsgas]

I have been looking for F-15 "load comp" and F-15 in air shows, but no luck. Is one of those weapons loads that you have to be at the right time and place. Like a 16 carrying weapons on stations 4, 5 and 6. It can do it, but good luck finding a photo. In 13 years, I saw that once for and Colonels retirement ceremony. I will try to look for F-15 during testing in Eglin, Nellis or Edward's, but after looking for so long, I doubt it.

[tflash]

Good info Pilotasso!

 

Mvsgas, I also looked in all my F-15 books and Air magazines but no, not a single photo emerges.

[RIPTIDE]

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/nearly-half-of-russian-airtoair-missiles-with-iaf-have-homing-ageing-problems-cag-report/490055/0

As was discussed by me in another thread the indians realized that storage of complicated missiles was a bit different than storing the more rugged R-60's in such an unforgiving climate. The very same thing has happened their lazer guided bombs, and anything that contained electronics that wasn't stored according to proper standards.

Edited September 5, 2010 by RIPTIDE

[IronsightSniper]

Actually, I heard from a guy over at another Defense forum who stated that the markings on those missiles(i.e. the black stripes) indicates a dud weapon. Those R-77's appears to be real(UNLESS THOSE RUSSIANS ARE QUITE BRILLIANT AND HAS FOOLED US AGAIN!). Anywho, way back at the last post in Page 5, Pilotasso said that the R-77 doesn't exist or fielded?! Blasphemy! Rawr!

[Pilotasso]

Guess again! ;)

 

 

And the same is shown on that picture: Black strips is on the R-73 but not on the 77, and no rocket motors on any of them.

[IronsightSniper]

:O They lied to me!

 

Anyways, haven't read the thread yet(I'll get to it after breakfast!), but is this the MiG you're looking for?

 

[Pilotasso]

No we are searching for an F-15 with 8 AMRAAMs loaded. This is a bit off topic. The plane above in the pic is a Mig-29M which was canceled.

Edited September 5, 2010 by Pilotasso

[IronsightSniper]

Oh sorry, I read some talk about MiGs and R-77's about 2 pages back, I thought the topic was already derailed. I shall try my hand at locating the requested image, will be back!

[VTJS17_Fire]

Good luck. :D

 

Maybe, Steve Davis could help us? :helpsmilie:

 

 

kind regards,

Fire

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

There have never been a war situation where Soviet Union or Russia needed to take six (or any) R-77's. That's why we don't have a picture of combat ready R-77 on thieir MiG-29S (9-13S).

 

Same (most likely) applies to F-15 and its payload of eight AMRAAMS.

Edited September 6, 2010 by =4c= Hajduk Veljko

[Kuky]

There is a video on youtube of Indian MiG-21 Bisson firing R-77, if the Indians are doing it with such an old airframe (even though upgraded) why wouldn't the Russians who built the missile (and aircraft) have it and be able to use it? Surely no such conflict has come about (thank god so to say) where Russia or USA would use their airforce to full potential. Yes the USA has lead quite a few wars and used their aircraft in A2A combat (although not with equivalent oponent) the Russia has not.

[nscode]

Becouse they didn't have money for it, and didn't need it? All they need is Topol-M and an odd R-73

[Pilotasso]

There have never been a war situation where Soviet Union or Russia needed to take six (or any) R-77's. That's why we don't have a picture of combat ready R-77 on thieir MiG-29S (9-13S).

 

Same (most likely) applies to F-15 and its payload of eight AMRAAMS.

 

9-13S model was built in very low quantities and its numbers further reduced in RuAF when the USSR broke up. Same applies to the old R-77.

 

 

Lets stay on topic please.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

9-13S model was built in very low quantities and its numbers further reduced in RuAF when the USSR broke up. Same applies to the old R-77.

Lets stay on topic please.

 

Around 50, 9-13S were built. 16 of them were delivered to Russian Air Force and the rest of them were converted to 9-13SE, export version. Although Russian Air Force failed to notify you about accepting 9-13S in service, thus 913S does not exist.

 

Can we stay on topic please? No picture, no proof. What kind of F-16 is in service in Portugal? The kind that can not carry AMRAAM's?

 

PS

Why would F-15 ever carry 8 AMRAAMS in real life is the real question?

[mvsgas]

You guys are terrible, lol :D

[RIPTIDE]

ROFL.... popcorn. I haz it.

[IronsightSniper]

Around 50, 9-13S were built. 16 of them were delivered to Russian Air Force and the rest of them were converted to 9-13SE, export version. Although Russian Air Force failed to notify you about accepting 9-13S in service, thus 913S does not exist.

 

Can we stay on topic please? No picture, no proof. What kind of F-16 is in service in Portugal? The kind that can not carry AMRAAM's?

 

PS

Why would F-15 ever carry 8 AMRAAMS in real life is the real question?

 

I'd suppose for air-superiority missions over skies with low-capability bogies? Any sensible Air Force would never just spam their technologically capable enemies with the same missiles, as jamming that would bottleneck them and leave pidgeons to be roasted.

[GGTharos]

Air forces are not giving up radar guided missiles, and in fact expect them to work against technologically capable opponents.

You'd carry 8 120's if you were expecting a target rich environment and you'd only engage BVR and then return. How likely such a mission is, I don't know, but either way, the capability is there if required.

 

I'd suppose for air-superiority missions over skies with low-capability bogies? Any sensible Air Force would never just spam their technologically capable enemies with the same missiles, as jamming that would bottleneck them and leave pidgeons to be roasted.