A10 & FC2 Compatibility

[Scabbers]

ok GG pls correct me if i am wrong.

 

Sounds- Been around these engines for 20 years. To accurately model a real engine perfectly lets just say the hardware isnt avail yet. The engine sounds in the a10 in the videos are DAMN close. Now I am sure some of you are arguing from a knowledge base. But I assure you it is not 20 years of aviation maintenance. I will be more interested to hear betty and the master caution tone.

 

FC2- Compatability. Having had to write sowftware for maintence of items I understand some of the issues. I am by far no expert but i think you all are over simplifying things. it is more than just reporting positions. The "Engines" have to be fully compatable for a stable game play platform. I would rather see FC2 not get ported over to get a stable platform for 8-16 people to be able to fly online. I remember F4, Superpack, and AF and the random drops because the developers tried to fufill to many community desires instead of making the product stable.

 

Simulation comparisons- Trying to say that FC2 is comparable to the DCS series is like saying driving a go kart is the same as driving a nascar. or flying and RC plane is the same as flying a 747. I mean REALLY REALLY!!!

 

Lets all put the claws away and let ED do what they do!!!

[GGTharos]

Yep, essentially correct. One concern is that just 'plugging in positions' will cause serious discrepancies in experience between one sim and another; I can't talk about details, but A-10C is beyond what FC2 and BS offer currently in terms of world interaction at minimum.

 

The FC2 flyables are simply no longer capable of fully interacting with the DCS world as of A-10C, and making them capable - well - you may as well start making new DCS modules ;)

[element1108]

Man, man! You don't understand nothing. This is a simulator and we're in 2010. If we're following your train of thought the Chuck Yeager Combat's graphic is enough for a battle sim... Ha-ha. I don't like the FSX, but some graphic features is very good in that sim. Else. If the ED can't make realistic sounds (YOU SAID THIS, NOT ME), why they call their sound engine "Realistic"? And please select your words, because i flew with sims then, when you're a simply mind of your parent's head...

 

 

Where did I say anywhere that ED can't make realistic sounds?? I didn't write that anywhere, I simply said it's not perfect duplication of sounds because that is VERY difficult simply because of the science of sound dynamics. I'm happy with the sound engine friend, you can quote me on that so you don't misunderstand.

 

I'm not saying chuck yeager's graphics are adaquet either, my god you put words in people's mouth. I don't think english is a native language of yours and perhaps that would explain your misunderstanding or your tone ("select your words" doesn't make sense).

 

I did say your POSTS LACK RESPECT...you pulled all these other meanings out of what I said except the general issue...must be a side effect of living on the moon.

 

Anyway I don't want to get into it with you, reading your posts left a nasty feeling in my gut and I felt I had to comment. I'm sorry if I offended you or you misunderstood what I wrote for whatever the reasons...be it moon or English as a third language, whatever.

 

And for the record i've been flying sims for 20 years...yeah no mind of my parents here friend.

[59th_Reaper]

Ok guys...

 

You can't see the forest for the trees. Good luck for assist of the "ED's 6th fox leather" project, and have a nice fly in single player combat!

 

 

P.S.: 22 years, i won...

Edited August 26, 2010 by 59th_Reaper

[element1108]

Ok guys...

 

You can't see the forest for the trees. Good luck for assist of the "ED's 6th fox leather" project, and have a nice fly in single player combat!

 

My understanding of English prohibits me from fully understanding your last post...

 

// runs away:pilotfly:

[59th_Reaper]

My understanding of English prohibits me from fully understanding your last post...

 

// runs away:pilotfly:

 

Jól van hülye gyerek, inkább pihenjél...

[element1108]

Jól van hülye gyerek, inkább pihenjél...

 

 

Jól van hülye gyerek, inkább pihenjél... All right, stupid kid, but relax ...

 

google translate is awesome

 

Sorry Reaper, didn't mean to harp on the English as a second language thing...i should have taken the signs and not gone and commented on it. Low blow on my part.

 

Peace offering. . . . .:thumbup:

 

GG, Evil and other members, sorry for that thread derail on our part, it got more personal than it should for a public thread :) Apologies.

[59th_Reaper]

Just for you:

 

Fox leather = When a company is pull down you (customer) again and again with a product, what is same as like before products (some differents, but the base is same). I hope i can help you...

 

S!

[Sticky]

Awkward silence... I can hear crickets..

 

sorry for that thread derail on our part

 

Yeah that was ugly! :music_whistling: BTW what does fox leather mean?

[element1108]

So in other words unless ED makes LEAPS and bounds inside roughly 9 month time you're not going to be happy? SHoot did I just start this up again?

 

I would like to know a flight sim company that has really gone above and beyond expectation with every single release in the last 5 years. Rise of Flight has done a nice job, but that's WWI aviation and without the details of a higher level of flight dynamics/physics.

 

Reaper you have very high expectations, perhaps too high for the realities we live in within the flight sim medium. As someone who's been simming since 1991 at least I would think you would have a better grasp on what the capabilities and limitations achievable in this video game market that has left flight simming to die on the side of the road.

 

Perhaps I'm too complacent, but I fully enjoy the products ED puts out, more so than anything else since Falcon 4 dropped. There's no current modern era sim you can even play that has 8 plus flyable aircraft (both Russian and American, fixed and rotar). THAT in my opinion is hardly "fox's leather" releases.

[Oscar]

This is way, way off topic, but in the interest of international relations:

 

I believe the term is properly "faux" - not "fox".

 

"When manufacturing faux objects or materials, an attempt is often made to create products which will resemble the imitated items as closely as possible. However, some products are intentionally made to look "faux", for example, faux furs made for prospective buyers who want their fur to be recognizable as imitation due to controversy over the use and manufacture of real animal furs." (Courtesy Wikipedia)

 

Just thought I'd throw that out there for laughs......or whatever.....

[Scabbers]

22 years of what. I have been in the buisinees now for 25 years but i did 20 years in the us navy. 5 as a contractor... Is that what you meant? I wasnt trying to toot a horn but rather to qualify an opinion.

[59th_Reaper]

I believe the term is properly "faux" - not "fox".

 

You don't know... Do you speak hungarian? I think not...

[59th_Reaper]

22 years of what. I have been in the buisinees now for 25 years but i did 20 years in the us navy. 5 as a contractor... Is that what you meant? I wasnt trying to toot a horn but rather to qualify an opinion.

 

20 years in navy, and? We must sitting into our ass from that? It's a sim, not real life. Were you a fighter pilot? I think not...

[element1108]

You don't know... Do you speak hungarian? I think not...

 

he's got you there Oscar ;) ;) ;)

Edited August 26, 2010 by element1108

[59th_Buncsi]

Jól van hülye gyerek, inkább pihenjél... All right, stupid kid, but relax ...

 

google translate is awesome

 

 

Awesome, now a little practise for you:

kap játok beaf aszomat.

Translate this :):)

Edited May 13, 2011 by 59th_Buncsi

[element1108]

Awesome, now a little practise for you:

kap j átok beaf aszomat.

Translate this :):)

 

 

google translate FAIL!

 

;)

Edited August 26, 2010 by element1108

[59th_Reaper]

google translate FAIL!

 

IJ:-D

[59th_Stholo]

The whole concept of the engine is quite old.

You can find parts in DCS that is from Flanker 2.0 so....

 

I can only say that if you have a 10 year old car and you change all of the parts to new ones. The car stays 10 year old.

One of my programer teachers told me: "Some times you have to throw away your program instead of making fixes and upgrades. Becose maybe the whole concept is bad."

[element1108]

The whole concept of the engine is quite old.

You can find parts in DCS that is from Flanker 2.0 so....

 

I can only say that if you have a 10 year old car and you change all of the parts to new ones. The car stays 10 year old.

One of my programer teachers told me: "Some times you have to throw away your program instead of making fixes and upgrades. Becose maybe the whole concept is bad."

 

 

Your programming teacher is wise in the classroom, but who knows how practical that statement is in the real world. Money and timelines are two MAJOR concerns when dealing with building a brand new engine.

 

An engine that can fully simulate flight characteristics, free fall, laser guided munitions and ballistics all while being modifiable is not what I would consider "bad concept", I'm sure Kamov and the US National Guard would agree with me. The idea behind the DCS series is to be module based. That is to say each DCS title can somehow communicate to the other. That is the future of what I see to be the DCS series. FC has had a wonderful sendoff, it's had a great run for the last decade, but it's time for the next series to take the lead. In 5 years *cue inspirational music* when we have fast movers and perhaps another helicopter, jet jockets, rotor heads and strikers will be flying under one high fidelity roof calling in support, CAP'ing, CAS'ing our way to virtual victory! :joystick:

 

As of right now BS and FC 2.0 are compatible...perhaps as we move forward it gets left at that, and BS and A-10C are made compatible leaving F.C 2.0 gracefully behind. (Who knows how it will end up in the end).

 

I have to say once again that I see NO WHERE ELSE in the flight sim industry where ANY developers are even coming close to doing what ED has done with it's titles in the last 2 years. There is potential on the horizon with SOW, FO and Jet Thunder? . . . but those have yet to be realized. As much as I love Falcon, I'm glad I have another quality sim series to play with in the meantime.

 

 

EDIT: Okay I'm done, day off today and miserable rainy day outside = too much time on DCS forums. If you're interested in Vietnam era helicopter instructional video's, check this out...

 

Edited August 26, 2010 by element1108

[BuzyBat]

I can see a good reason for ED to skip FC2, and that probably next plane would be DCS:Su-25T. Most of work already done in FC2, and no much change in the advanced FM needed.

[GGTharos]

Not even close.

 

None of the aircraft in FC2, including the Su-25T, are anywhere NEAR DCS quality. Not even close. ;)

 

Most of work already done in FC2

[Boberro]

Not even close.

 

None of the aircraft in FC2, including the Su-25T, are anywhere NEAR DCS quality. Not even close. ;)

 

So you say AFM in FC 2 is bad? If so how can you name another arcade planes like A-10 :D

 

I know avionics in LO is mostly arcadish and bullshit but what to AFM :P

Edited August 27, 2010 by Boberro
bad word :]

[GGTharos]

AFM in Su-25T is 'old' AFM, but it is still AFM :)

 

I know avionics in LO is mostly arcadish and bullshit but what to AFM :P

[Krippz]

Personally I think that ED should focus on the DCS series and move into the future not look back to waste resources on FC2. I guess it's all sells driven really if FC2 is selling strong then it would make sense to continue to support FC2 . Either way I will support ED's decision.