Su-25/Su-25T against air threats

[muamshai]

So you need to destroy targets in online server. Unfortunately, your buddies are busy with something else instead of providing you escort. So how are you going to deal with this situation when there are one or two air threats willing to fire all of their arsenal at you?

 

Fly at low alt (1000 - 2000) and expose yourself against MANPAD or IR threat

Fly at medium alt (3000 - 5000) and keep yourself busy with RWR and expect a missile at your direction.

 

I have been pwn3ed 3 times on server yesterday, and I started to wonder what is the correct tactic

[159th_Viper]

Ask yourself what you want out of the SIM. Keep in mind that there's nothing 'Real' about Flight Combat Simulation at present. I'm not referring to the Airframes and attendant systems. I'm referring to the Combat scenarios in online servers: It's a free-for-all punchup, but I digress..........

 

If you want to stay alive, bug out and extend to friendly airspace and await top-cover. If you're feeling ballsy, sneak in and attempt to draw a fighter down low and smack him with a '73 (yes, happens - Toad's not completely harmless :D). Alternatively a mixture of the two - probe and wait for an opening. Conclusion - your tactics will be governed by the circumstances you find yourself in. If you're wanting to push the limits of 'realism' insofar possible as the SIM allows, get yourself top-cover: Ask via TS and they'll be happy to oblige and prosecute your targets when the airspace is clear.

 

Above all, relax and have fun. Don't worry about being tagged by Jet-Jockeys. Trust me, the first time you put a '73 through the cockpit of a fast-jet, close enough to see the smug grin evaporate seconds before vaporization, is all you need to make the previous losses well worthwhile........until the next time, that is.

[Kenan]

If you don't have a fighter cover and you're dealing with SAM/Enemy Fighters occupied target area, there's not much you can do. Except defect with your 25 to some thrid world country and seek asylum.

[mvsgas]

I agree with 159th_Viper, specially have fun.

In some servers, guys in F-15 do nothing but to look for A22G fixed wing aircraft and helicopters.

 

Scope several servers until you find one you like. TS also helps. In some servers guys will do all they can to protect their bombers.

 

I just learn not to care about it. Specially when in some occasions, all the A2A guys are on the other side of the map, doing their thing and you get that one guys shooting down KA-50 and SU-25 and nothing else. I just jump on another seat and continue having fun.

 

Beside, F-15 killing you with a AIM-120 is not getting "pwn3ed" at all. A KA-50 killing you with it's gun is. :thumbup:

Just my 2 cets :joystick:

[GGTharos]

As an F-15 guy, I see nothing wrong with trying to protect my ground troops, too. Or you might find me nowhere near the 'action' areas, but rather protecting the AWACS ;)

 

I agree with 159th_Viper, specially have fun.

In some servers, guys in F-15 do nothing but to look for A22G fixed wing aircraft and helicopters.

[mvsgas]

GG, I'm talking about the guys that is the only thing they do. I have been on a server with 5 or 6 people, all of us in A2G aircraft, an a guy join an F-15 got a kill count and left.

Anyway, it's inconsequential.

Edited August 26, 2010 by mvsgas

[S77th-konkussion]

One way is for all pilots to be on comms, which will encourage a lot more teamwork in the servers. I experience a lot of this myself flying a 33 mostly. Very difficult to score BVR kills in that plane one on one. But- get even 2 of us working together? Look out.

 

Bottom line is- if you can't get cover- why take that aircraft into territory where a fighter is looking for any opportune target? Not ideal for the fun factor (i want to fly now)- but this is the way it is..

[Case]

In my 'Bridge over the river Inguri' I added some triggers to give a fighter jock that's hunting lone bombers and choppers something to play with. Essentially AI fighter cover will spawn when the fighter goes lame.

 

It's not a perfect solution, but it may give the bomber guys a laugh :smilewink:

[S77th-konkussion]

LOL.. that's sweet.. Gas- I'm not enjoying myself at all either recently. None of my guys want to fly anymore. Very frustrating by itself, but especially aggravating to a 33 driver due to the aforementioned reasons among others.. You are not alone.

Edited August 26, 2010 by S77th-konkussion

[Succellus]

Maybe the solution would be create map now allowing jockeys, so it would be only mud VS mud ?

This is lame but.

 

Its almost as allowing people ride a tank in scenario full of a-10 and K-50

[HiJack]

Join TS on the side you are playing and ask for cover by the jetfighters on your side. That works every single time. :D

[nscode]

or... join the TS on the other side, and ask for assistance on the other side of the map... or the world :D

[Udat]

Or make triggers to ensure that there have to be at least one fighter at the opposing team before you can join in a fighter.. If that's at all possible.

[hassata]

or... join the TS on the other side, and ask for assistance on the other side of the map... or the world :D

 

PsyCops :D [edit: PsyOps, but the first one works too lol]:D

[Krebs20]

Or make triggers to ensure that there have to be at least one fighter at the opposing team before you can join in a fighter.. If that's at all possible.

I know what your saying. But how would the 1st fighter join then? Maybe somehow set a trigger that for every player controlled fighter that an AI one will spawn to counter him. If another player joins the other side then the AI will despawn. Would be interesting to program.

[Udat]

But how would the 1st fighter join then?

 

:doh: I guess I'm too tired

 

Maybe somehow set a trigger that for every player controlled fighter that an AI one will spawn to counter him. If another player joins the other side then the AI will despawn. Would be interesting to program.

 

Yeah that sounds better than nothing at least.

[muamshai]

Alrighty, that makes me feel better. I'll try to convince fighter jocks to cover my 6 if they want to score a few kills to feel better for the day :D