Deadman's A-10 C Cockpit Build

[Mike Powell]

Hi Mike thanks So much for the input .

Now the big question is are they usable or do I junk them for a different solution?

 

I hesitate to say junk them. I am by no means certain that my interpretation of the pictures is correct.

 

I imagine that the original electronics was quite clunky and expensive. I wonder, however, what might be done with contemporary motor control electronics. I don't have anything particular in mind. I'm just reminded of the difference between the old style CNC motor drivers and what the CNC hobby community has developed. The analogy is stretched, but I think the potential is there.

 

I think a key is finding more information about what you've got. Without knowing the voltage and current requirements of the torque motor, it's hard to estimate what's needed.

 

I wonder if a competitor to the company that made your gear would have any information about it.

[Deadman]

Updated the post with information on the sensor in picture 8 that was under the center cover

[Direwolf5]

Deadman, from my experience in the A.F. when Uncle Sam buys a piece of equipment the manufacturer is required to turn over all information on the piece of equipment. Including design drawings, wiring diagrams and maintenance and manufacturing information. So that the government can find another company to build the item as a backup.

 

At least one of the forum members is a current A-10 maintainer, he should be able to go over to the simulator room and talk shop with the operators/maintainers and get a peek at the maintenance manuals. While the manuals for the actual A-10 are classified, the simulator's would most likley not be classified and he could get you a wiring diagram.

 

I do not believe that the information on the motor system of the simulator would be under EEFI restriction or No-Forn restrictions, As you are a US Citizen there would be no conflict with No-Forn if it was in effect.

Direwolf5

 

{EEFI = Essential Elements of Friendly Information}

{No-Forn = No Foreign Citizens}

[Deadman]

I don't think I know any of the guys that my have that kind of assets. I would not want to bother any one like that.

Edited October 29, 2013 by Deadman

[Direwolf5]

I was hoping one of them would check out your build thread and offer to help. :smilewink:

[Deadman]

well I have been working on some vinyl decals for the out side of the pit the DANGER EJECTION SEAT, RESCUE ARROW, JACK AND LIFT . A set would be 2 Danger ejection seat, 2 arrows and 2 each of the jack and lift decals.

 

These i have pulled out of some of my manuals and they are the correct size. I will get these made out of flat black vinyl decal material .

 

If i get a good price from the company I got the cockpit stickers from I may open a new cockpit sticker set as well.I would like to add a few different stickers to the set.

 

Let me know if there at least 15 of you guys interested

[Panthro]

was $25000 for the interface software or a full simulation?

Do the not want to separate the drivers?

How about just some documentation will they sell you that?

[Deadman]

No that price was just for the software, controller and safety logic.

I am not spending any thing like that on just one piece of the project.

 

[agrasyuk]

I'm in for the stickers and decals. Want to update/bump you thread in ForSale forum?

[Deadman]

Not at this time I am working on up dating the sticker set and getting a quote on the vinyl decals for the exterior of the cockpit

[MacFevre]

Hey DM, I'm in for a set of decals.

[PeterP]

No that price ($25,000) was just for the software, controller and safety logic.

I am not spending any thing like that on just one piece of the project.

 

 

See it this way:

You probably deal with a company that usually works only with professionals and/or customers that buy a whole solution including maintain contracts for a whole life-cycle for their product.

And normally their deals are much more worth than 25,000 before they even start to communicate with a costumer at all...

 

They probably know that you got it "second-hand" and you are probably not the first that asked for assistance .

 

I bet they just call out the 25,000 price tag just as a 'entrance fee' - so that the needed time that their engineers use to communicate with you is paid - and this will also hold off all others hobbyists that have similar requests.

 

It's all about money - they didn't founded their company just to make people happy.

And I bet you would do it the same when you would run a multi-million dollar company that has to calculate very sharp to withstand against other competitors and has to protect its intellectual properties.

:)

 

 

But moving a servo is no witchery and all possible problems are already well described and there are open-source solutions available for it already.

 

My best guess to find the answers you are looking for would to open a thread with a detailed explanation in the XSimulator.net community.

 

Its the #1 source for DIY Motion Simulators, and many professionals share their knowledge also on this forum.

 

There is a tool called "Yoda" that analyses FFB commands and can translate this data to drive any motor you can hook up.

 

I think this would be the most elegant solution.

 

And you should really find contact to an mechatronics engineer that is able to really tell you what motors you got there.

Edited November 2, 2013 by PeterP

[Deadman]

Thanks for the help.

[Deadman]

more paint applied

[Boltz]

Deadman are you making an ACES II or do you have the real thing hidden in your garage somewhere? :)

[Panthro]

try starting at page 45 and reading forward or at least skim over the pics.

[Boltz]

I've been watching this since DM got the trainer cockpit but must have missed the photos on page 46. This is looking great!

[Deadman]

Wow There are 46 pages you guys see that is crazy. I am only on page 19 the ACES II in shown on post 459 http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1904837&postcount=459

things will start slowing down as I order wire cable and start looking for power supplies for a few things next big project is to rebuild one of the Main Instrument panels in to a C version

[Boltz]

You must have changed the posts per page or something. I currently see 57 pages of this build!

[Deadman]

Hum no Idea how i could have done that

I am checking in to the cost of the vinyl decals for the exterior of the cockpit now any one else interested?

Danger ejection seat

Rescue arrows for left and right side

jack and lift

[agrasyuk]

Loom at your forum settings. I find that with default 10 per page that's to much page flipping so its 20 posts for me.

 

DM , I'm personnaly more interested in internal decals and stickers. I'm sure some will want the external though..

Edited November 4, 2013 by agrasyuk

[Deadman]

I am looking at reworking the internal possibly separating the ACES II from the cockpit and adding several stickers , the ground safety override red and white the Zero sticker for the KY58 the FLT check and FENCE sticker for the Compass and G meter hangers any thing else? Yes Anton. I remember you want a set but if there is not enough interest in either of these sets to cover the minimum order and my cost then there is no order.

Edited November 4, 2013 by Deadman

[Deadman]

will we can wait for a few days and see if any one is interested in the decals i should have the quote back shortly.

Got a bit done on the pit I have been having a hard time with the canopy disengage marker plate the fill in paint stick softens the spray paint under neath even with 5 days drying time so when i wipe it with a soft towel and alcohol both paints come off trying a new technique today we will see what happens.

I mounted the CCTVS/CAVTR Remote Control Panel looks good I think for being done by hand

and checked to see if the potentiometers on the toe breaks were working you can see the pot mounted at the bottom of the swing arm with the addition of the shinny gear

[Hansolo]

Looking great DM,

 

Is one of the pin broken on the potentiometer? Too bad but you can probably find a replacement.

As stated under Sales thread I am interested in the ACEII decals if there is enough interest (fingers crossed)

 

Cheers

Hans

[Deadman]

Ya the pin is broken of but still attached to the wire not sure if it can be fixed or not. replacement will defiantly be a pain in the but do to its placement