REL Posted October 12, 2010 Posted October 12, 2010 The manual explains many buttons of the IFF Control Panel but almost all of them are not functional when running the simulation .. So should I assume that they are going to be functional in the full version ??
cctoide Posted October 12, 2010 Posted October 12, 2010 According to Wags it depends on priorities and available time during development. Same for the KY-58 secure radio stack. I'm certainly interested in seeing how these will work in multiplayer if they end up doing it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Scabbers Posted October 12, 2010 Posted October 12, 2010 According to Wags it depends on priorities and available time during development. Same for the KY-58 secure radio stack. I'm certainly interested in seeing how these will work in multiplayer if they end up doing it. The actualy operation of secure voice in game is something i think would be highly unlikely as well as IFF. Not happen. The devs can prove me wrong. but the actual function is classified. atleast the MODE 4 adn MODE 5 IFF operations you might get MODE 1, 2, 3/A, S AND C Now where is that speed brakes control again? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Stretch Posted October 12, 2010 Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) I'm not a dev but I'd like a crack at proving you wrong. Documentation on the operation of the KY-58 is available online. For example, see this website that explains the operation of its cousin, the KY-57: http://www.prc68.com/I/KY57.shtml Or this one, that explains how to do remote keying operations using RV mode: http://www.tpub.com/content/chhelicopters/TM-1-1520-240-10/css/TM-1-1520-240-10_146.htm What's classified, I'd guess, is how the cryptovariables are used to encode the datastream. Likewise, the operation of a mode-4 IFF transponder is not difficult to derive -- the F-16 has a similar mode-4 transponder and its use is described in the Operator's Handbook: http://www.scribd.com/doc/26400980/F-16C-D-Flight-Manual What *is* classified is how mode-4 is cryptographically secure. And AFAIK the A-10 does not have a mode-5 IFF transponder. Edited October 12, 2010 by Stretch Tim "Stretch" Morgan 72nd VFW, 617th VFS Other handles: Strikeout (72nd VFW, 15th MEU Realism Unit), RISCfuture (BMS forums) PC and Peripherals: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/RISCfuture/saved/#view=DMp6XL Win10 x64 — BMS — DCS — P3D
Headspace Posted October 12, 2010 Posted October 12, 2010 I noticed the device, noticed it was quite obviously a transponder and assumed that due to such its was classified and that's why you can't really interact with it. Good point though about it showing up in the manual; I hadn't noticed it there.
Slayer Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 I used to work in an approach control ATC in the USAF years ago. 3/A is mainly for controllers directing traffic all aircraft that under ATC control had to have it turned on (mil or civ) VFR traffic with advisories used code 1200 ( I think). What use is it unless there is an ATC or an AWACS (sim has neither). Maybee they could have it showing the squak code in F10 view other than that seems like it would not really serve any function game wise. That is unless you are a perfectionist and want to pretend that you filed a flight plan and departure told you what to set it to. In that case go play FSX :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] System Specs Intel I7-3930K, Asrock EXTREME9, EVGA TITAN, Mushkin Chronos SSD, 16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws Z series 2133, TM Warthog and MFD's, Saitek Proflight Combat pedals, TrackIR 5 + TrackClip PRO, Windows 7 x64, 3-Asus VS2248H-P monitors, Thermaltake Level 10 GT, Obutto cockpit
Scabbers Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 wow, prove me wrong.... I am flattered. KY-57 is declassified. KY-58 operation is still classified for official use only. This game is not for oficial use only. Hardware is CCI(Cryptographic Controlled Item) meaning hardware is unclassified until coded but is a controlled item. thanks for the heads up ont he load procedure. sent up to NSA. IFF transponders are unclassifed. The mode 4 and 5 hardware and theory is classified. Operation. unclass but the airforce giving permission for full implementation highly unlikely. Hey I could be wrong and would be really cool to see modeled butIT is my *OPINION* that it wont be fully implemented. I am not a dev. dont claim to be. Now where is that speed brakes control again? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Eddie Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 IT is my *OPINION* that it wont be fully implemented. I am not a dev. dont claim to be. You are almost certainly correct, but then to implement the level of functionality required for the sim, no knowledge of how the CCIs actually encrypt transmissions or how the real crypto codes are formed. All it'll be is that when the encryption is enabled, transmissions of over the radio that is encypted will not be heard by players not in the same coilition as the sender. No knowlege of real world crypto systems is required for that. And exactly the same goes for IFF and datalink (or other advanced avionics), it's not what it does that's classified (for the most part) it's how it does it.
SUBS17 Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 wow, prove me wrong.... I am flattered. KY-57 is declassified. KY-58 operation is still classified for official use only. This game is not for oficial use only. Hardware is CCI(Cryptographic Controlled Item) meaning hardware is unclassified until coded but is a controlled item. thanks for the heads up ont he load procedure. sent up to NSA. IFF transponders are unclassifed. The mode 4 and 5 hardware and theory is classified. Operation. unclass but the airforce giving permission for full implementation highly unlikely. Hey I could be wrong and would be really cool to see modeled butIT is my *OPINION* that it wont be fully implemented. I am not a dev. dont claim to be. The IFF stuff is explained in detail in the F-16 MLU tapes. Its practical to implement a simplified IFF system in Jet combat flight simulators with just basic codes so that each side can interrogate aircraft and avoid shooting friendlys. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
Stretch Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 An example of something for which the OPERATION and MECHANICS is classified would be Link16 on the F-16, as that is part of the M3/M4 tapes, the documentation for which is still unreleased. Tim "Stretch" Morgan 72nd VFW, 617th VFS Other handles: Strikeout (72nd VFW, 15th MEU Realism Unit), RISCfuture (BMS forums) PC and Peripherals: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/RISCfuture/saved/#view=DMp6XL Win10 x64 — BMS — DCS — P3D
GGTharos Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 Doesn't actually matter in the least. As long as ED has permission to represent it (And AFAIK they do), it may in the figure get tied in with in-game-voice (and other) comms. As an example ... if you tune your radio to their frequency and they are speaking un-encrypted, you hear them. If you tune-in and they are encrypted, you get static, unless you have the encryption code which can be implemented as a simple password. wow, prove me wrong.... I am flattered. KY-57 is declassified. KY-58 operation is still classified for official use only. This game is not for oficial use only. Hardware is CCI(Cryptographic Controlled Item) meaning hardware is unclassified until coded but is a controlled item. thanks for the heads up ont he load procedure. sent up to NSA. IFF transponders are unclassifed. The mode 4 and 5 hardware and theory is classified. Operation. unclass but the airforce giving permission for full implementation highly unlikely. Hey I could be wrong and would be really cool to see modeled butIT is my *OPINION* that it wont be fully implemented. I am not a dev. dont claim to be. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Echonomix Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 Are there plans to actually have in-game voice comms via the in-plane radio? asus p7p55d deluxe | intel i5-750 @ stock | g.skill ripjaw 4gb | asus geforce gtx 470 @ stock | trackir 4 | thrustmaster hotas warthog | win7 home premium 64bit
Headspace Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 I used to work in an approach control ATC in the USAF years ago. 3/A is mainly for controllers directing traffic all aircraft that under ATC control had to have it turned on (mil or civ) VFR traffic with advisories used code 1200 ( I think). That's right. 1200 is the standard VFR code. But you have to squawk what ATC gives you if you enter controlled airspace (i.e. go into class B or C, get squawk code from approach).
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