CMS ECM Jammer Consent

[Gunnergolly]

Hello all

 

When you select the "semi" automatic mode on the CMSP countermeasure panel how do you consent the Jammer to operate.

 

I'm finding that when i use the "Auto" mode the ECM jammer operates as it should but my flare/chaff stores are also emptied very quickly.

 

I have read the manual, but i just can't find were it says how you actually manually turn the jammer on.

 

The chaff/flare program auto selects, but the jammer just displays SBY.

 

Cheers.....

[Kaiza]

I beleive it is whatever you have mapped to : CMS Z-AXIS

 

EDIT: which according to my saitek profile is the key "-"

[Eddie]

CMS Hat Z-Axis. On the HOTAS Warthog and the HOTAS on the real stick it's the push down function of the CMS Hat, if you don't have a Warthog as most people won't you'll have to either remember the keypress or map it to your stick.

 

I don't know the keypress off the top of my head, but if you look through the key assignments you'll find it under the HOTAS section.

[Ryrrar]

the - key is the default mapping.

[Gunnergolly]

Thanks Kaiza/Eddie/Ryrrar

 

I'll find out which key it is and map it to a button on my saitek x52.

 

Thanks for you quick replies.

 

Cheers....

[104th_Crunch]

CMS Hat Z-Axis. On the HOTAS Warthog and the HOTAS on the real stick it's the push down function of the CMS Hat, if you don't have a Warthog as most people won't you'll have to either remember the keypress or map it to your stick.

 

I don't know the keypress off the top of my head, but if you look through the key assignments you'll find it under the HOTAS section.

 

Ahh!! Wondering the same thing myself. I guess maybe this info will be added to the manual. How do I tell if it's on or off in manual mode?

[Eddie]

Ahh!! Wondering the same thing myself. I guess maybe this info will be added to the manual. How do I tell if it's on or off in manual mode?

 

When in standby the CMS panel below the HUD will show STBY to the left of the selected jamming program, when jamming a threat it'll show flashing XMIT (iirc, but not 100% on that). This is the same regardless of if you're in man, semi, or auto mode.

[Gunnergolly]

Yep, it's working perfectly now.

 

Crunch.........When you activate the jammer it will flash "OPR", if you manage to break the radar lock it will then return back to SBY.

 

You can then reactivate the jammer if you require it

 

It works !!!!!.....

[Eddie]

"OPR"

 

That's the one. A month and half out of the pit and I'm already getting rusty. :cry:

[104th_Crunch]

Thanks Eddie,

Had some good practice with the Jammer. Manual seems to turn off in 10 sec even if still locked by a SAM when I tested against a SA-6 and then a SA-11. Auto would turn off, then back on if still locked by the SA-6, but auto would not even start the Jammer against the SA-11 (edit: noted SA-19 before by mistake). Perhaps this is just beta behavior and already known. Just units I placed in my own mission.

 

I could not find the section in the manual about pressing in the CMS switch in the detail as you described. Just the following sentence that needs elaboration I think:

 

"On the HOTAS, you have the CMS switch to also select jammer programs and toggle between STBY and OPR modes."

 

Just mentioning it in case it's not known. Thanks for your hard work.

Edited October 30, 2010 by Crunch

[slug88]

but auto would not even start the Jammer against the SA-19.

 

Probably because the SA-19 is not radar guided:

 

Guidance is performed by the gunner who uses the 8× magnification (8 degree field of view) 1A29 stabilized sight of the Tunguska to track the target and the missile (using a flare or pulsed beacon) is automatically tracked by the optics. The deviation of the missiles compared with the tracked target is used to calculate guidance commands, the tracking radar being used to send radio commands to the missile, making Tunguska a semi-automatic, radio command, with optical line of sight (SACLOS) system.[11] The gunner is initially cued towards the target by the systems search radar. Once the missile is steered to within 5 m of the target, an active laser or radio fuse (9M311-M1) is triggered

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K22_Tunguska#Missiles

 

So it seems the Tunguska uses its radar to detect you, but the guidance itself is by SACLOS.

[104th_Crunch]

Thanks Slug but I made a typo. I meant to say that the ECM in auto mode would not start against the SA-11. Even when it fired on me.

[diditopgun]

Hello !

 

I confirmed semi and auto mode don't react against SA-11. Beta issue or not ?

[diditopgun]

Jammer

 

Hello !

 

I made a jammer test mission with a SA-6 and SA-11 SAM site.

 

In semi or auto mode correct jammer program (SAM1) is selected for SA-6, and switch to OPR status in auto mode.

 

In semi or auto mode, jammer have no reaction with SA-11... It doesn't select SAM2 program and stay in STBY status in auto mode.

 

Is this an beta issue ?

[104th_Crunch]

Hello !

 

I confirmed semi and auto mode don't react against SA-11. Beta issue or not ?

 

Eddie will report it to the ED test team I am sure if it is already not known.

[104th_Crunch]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1015828#post1015828

 

I found the same thing. I am sure it will be corrected eventually in the beta.

[HiJack]

That's the one. A month and half out of the pit and I'm already getting rusty. :cry:

Hang in there Eddie; wee are doing all the testing for you now :D I hope everything is fine at your current location.

 

(HJ)

Edited October 30, 2010 by HiJack

[Eddie]

The SA-11 issue has been reported so I'll be fixed at some point.

[WildBillKelsoe]

Probably because the SA-19 is not radar guided:

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K22_Tunguska#Missiles

 

So it seems the Tunguska uses its radar to detect you, but the guidance itself is by SACLOS.

 

 

Manual PDF Page 409/672

 

3. JMR (Jammer) Window. In this display window, up to eight characters can be displayed and indicate the selected jammer program and activity status. The left side of the jammer window indicates the status of the jammer. This can either be OFF, SBY (standby) or OPR (operating) depending on the position of the mode selector dial and if the aircraft is being locked by a radar. On the right side of the window the selected jammer program is displayed. These are pre-loaded and include:

AIR. Program to counter most air-to-air radars.

SAM1. Program to counter older-generation SAM systems like SA-3, SA-6 and SA-8. Rem: 1368

SAM2. Program to counter newer-generation SAM systems like 2S6 Tunguska, SA-16, SA-11, SA-10, and SA-15. Rem: 2TK156

AAA. Program to counter radar-directed gun systems like ZSU-23-4 and ZU-23 / Dog Ear. Rem: ZsDE