Kusch Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 North Korean artillery hits South Korean island http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11818005 Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtherealN Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 You forgot to add the "again". This has happened before (there is a long-standing conflict regarding those islands since the sea border for them was drawn up unilaterally by the UN at the tail end of the 1950-53 war) and I don't think it'll escalate to anything full-scale. If the NK military leadership has some sanity they'll know that their equipment is too obsolete (in spite of their numbers) to allow an effective war, and the south would suffer too much damage if it decided to press on. But then again, there is the possibility of someone on either side going insane and deciding to escalate, which would be unpleasant. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 It wouldn't be again, the Korean war has never formally ended, we'd just end the ceasefire ;). But no, things like this happen all the time around the border regions. The politicians will talk a bit as always, various news programmes will tell us North Korea is going to end the world, and then as suddenly as it happened everything will go away. Spoiler Intel 13900K (5Ghz), 64Gb 6400Mhz, MSi RTX 3090, Schiit Modi/Magi DAC/AMP, ASUS PG43UQ, Hotas Warthog, RealSimulator FSSB3, 2x TM MFDs + DCS MFDs, MFG Crosswinds, Elgato Steamdeck XL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordWolf Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 You forgot to add the "again". This has happened before (there is a long-standing conflict regarding those islands since the sea border for them was drawn up unilaterally by the UN at the tail end of the 1950-53 war) and I don't think it'll escalate to anything full-scale. If the NK military leadership has some sanity they'll know that their equipment is too obsolete (in spite of their numbers) to allow an effective war, and the south would suffer too much damage if it decided to press on. But then again, there is the possibility of someone on either side going insane and deciding to escalate, which would be unpleasant. Sorry, but north korea does not have numeral advantage, both sides have up to 8 mil people in reserve, while the north korea has 1,5 mil active soldiers, the south only has 0,5. But you have to know that south korea always has usa nearby... So it's basicly balanced, except the fact that north korean troops have obsolete equipment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macedk Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 anyway it is bad news :( OS: Win10 home 64bit*MB: Asus Strix Z270F/ CPU: Intel I7 7700k /Ram:32gb_ddr4 GFX: Nvidia Asus 1080 8Gb Mon: Asus vg2448qe 24" Disk: SSD Stick: TM Warthog #1400/Saitek pro pedals/TIR5/TM MFDs [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtherealN Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Eddie, what I meant specifically with "again" was "skirmishes in that area". Lordwolf, reserves are one thing, but 1,5m vs 0.5m is not something to be scoffed at - especially since we aren't talking about something on the scale of invading the soviet union or china or mainland USA where the sheer size of the territory would offer ample time to organize a mobilization. Also, "USA nearby" is ~28k servicemen across all services actually on Korean soil, and ~35k servicemen in Japan. There wouldn't be hundreds of thousands of troops flown in from the immediate area on day one or day 7, and substantial additions from mainland US would be further delayed by so many being commited in Iraq and Afghanistan. So imo my point still stands - the NK can use numerical advantage to mount an offensive, but obsolete equipment would prevent them from following through with it, leaving enough capability for the SK to mobilize while the USAF and Navy obliterate all lines of communication and supply that the NK relies on, at which point the war turns. But on the other end of the spectrum the south cannot expect to conduct a successful offensive since the border positions are just too fortified and too numerous to do it with acceptable casualties and collateral damage (remember: Seoul is in artillery range of the DMZ...). Therefore: neither party wants to escalate whatever happened now into a resumption of the war. (As long as they are sane...) Another complication for NK as a possible aggressor is that they definitely would not have China to fall back on in case things go wrong - China is too interwoven in global trade and industry with the US and the west to risk entering such a conflict. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 YonhapNews: N.Korea threatens additional attacks, accuses S.Korea of provocation http://bit.ly/fRJQKO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordWolf Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Eddie, what I meant specifically with "again" was "skirmishes in that area". Lordwolf, reserves are one thing, but 1,5m vs 0.5m is not something to be scoffed at - especially since we aren't talking about something on the scale of invading the soviet union or china or mainland USA where the sheer size of the territory would offer ample time to organize a mobilization. Also, "USA nearby" is ~28k servicemen across all services actually on Korean soil, and ~35k servicemen in Japan. There wouldn't be hundreds of thousands of troops flown in from the immediate area on day one or day 7, and substantial additions from mainland US would be further delayed by so many being commited in Iraq and Afghanistan. So imo my point still stands - the NK can use numerical advantage to mount an offensive, but obsolete equipment would prevent them from following through with it, leaving enough capability for the SK to mobilize while the USAF and Navy obliterate all lines of communication and supply that the NK relies on, at which point the war turns. But on the other end of the spectrum the south cannot expect to conduct a successful offensive since the border positions are just too fortified and too numerous to do it with acceptable casualties and collateral damage (remember: Seoul is in artillery range of the DMZ...). Therefore: neither party wants to escalate whatever happened now into a resumption of the war. (As long as they are sane...) Another complication for NK as a possible aggressor is that they definitely would not have China to fall back on in case things go wrong - China is too interwoven in global trade and industry with the US and the west to risk entering such a conflict. You keep forgetting that both sides have borders guarded, that half a milion soldiers is more than enough to hold them off, while the population mobilises. It's not like the noth koreans are capable of doing blitzkrieg with their obsolete comunications / logistsics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madman777 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 North Korean leader is dying and wants to get some attention before he goes. I bet he's willing to put his people at risk (no surprise there) for personal satisfaction. I'm almost certain things will escalate there because that old fool wants to be front page CNN. i7-12700k, 32GB Ram, RTX 3060 12GB, TrackIR 5, Lots of SSD Space, etc etc DCS World - All the cool modules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Jaw Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 US airpower will trash the NK forces. So long as the fecking PRC mind their business. "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, ASUS RTX3060ti/8GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Whats funny is that some say how crappy/obsolete/ineffective the DRPK armed forces is, yet at the same time we're terrified of going to war with them :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisisentchris87 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 This is bad, real bad. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Antec DF-85 Case, Asus Sabertooth Z77, Intel i5-3570k Ivy Bridge 3.4 GHz, air-cooled with Noctua NH-D14, Corsair Vengeance 16GB, EVGA GTX 560 TI, Corsair Professional Series 750W, Creative Sound Blaster X-fi Titanium HD, ASUS EA-N66 Wireless Adapter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Jaw Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 The main reason I think is because we do not know what other majorpowers in the region will do. "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, ASUS RTX3060ti/8GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted November 23, 2010 ED Team Share Posted November 23, 2010 There will be no full scale war. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 S. Korea vows 'stern retaliation' against N. Korea's attacks http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2010/11/23/81/0301000000AEN20101123013700315F.HTML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asparagin Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 S. Korea vows 'stern retaliation' against N. Korea's attacks The same way as they did after that ship got torpedoed? --> "Staging a full scale exercise" UUuuh They really showed it to the NK's Spoiler AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, MSI MEG X570 UNIFY (AM4, AMD X570, ATX), Noctua NH-DH14, EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti XC3 ULTRA, Seasonic Focus PX (850W), Kingston HyperX 240GB, Samsung 970 EVO Plus (1000GB, M.2 2280), 32GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo DDR4-3600 DIMM CL16, Cooler Master 932 HAF, Samsung Odyssey G5; 34", Win 10 X64 Pro, Track IR, TM Warthog, TM MFDs, Saitek Pro Flight Rudders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 It's not like the North Koreans are capable of doing blitzkrieg with their obsolete comunications / logistsics.You mentioned North Korean "obsolete equipment" several times. Well, what does Al-kaida have in Afghanistan and we are still waging longest war in our history. We are spending millions of dollars a day to fight few hundred guerrilla Al Kaida members equipped with AK-47's. My point is "superior equipment" is not necessarily decisive factor in a military conflict. When it comes to Norht Korea, they have nuclear bombs and waging any kind of war with them would be very stupid. North Korean regime can be successfully defeated without firing a single bullet, but that depends on whether we want it to end that way. And by the way, I don't know if we have any money to wage additional wars. For every dollar my government spends, 40 cents is borrowed. That behavior is not sustainable and additional unnecessary war, war of choice, would make our economical situation worse and just embolden North Korea and other's who don't like us. Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Jaw Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Like Iran, North Korea has simply got to go away. "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, ASUS RTX3060ti/8GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 The same way as they did after that ship got torpedoed? --> "Staging a full scale exercise" UUuuh They really showed it to the NK's True true, but when i see stuff like this i have to wonder where this is going: "Given that North Korea maintains an offensive posture, I think the Army, the Navy and the Air Force should unite and retaliate against (the North's) provocation with multiple-fold firepower," Lee said. "I think enormous retaliation is going to be necessary to make North Korea incapable of provoking us again." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrYenko Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 The real question is; What do the NorKs want, and are they wanting it because they want it, or because the ChiComs told them to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asparagin Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 (edited) ..I think the Army, the Navy and the Air Force should unite.. hmm.. what does he mean? I don't think SK will move a finger without serious back up. And we get to the super powers in the region and no one wants that, and so on.. The real question is; What do the NorKs want, and are they wanting it because they want it, or because the ChiComs told them to? No way, this is not cold war here. Kim Jong Ill is really ill like in disturbed-ill. Edited November 23, 2010 by asparagin Spoiler AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, MSI MEG X570 UNIFY (AM4, AMD X570, ATX), Noctua NH-DH14, EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti XC3 ULTRA, Seasonic Focus PX (850W), Kingston HyperX 240GB, Samsung 970 EVO Plus (1000GB, M.2 2280), 32GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo DDR4-3600 DIMM CL16, Cooler Master 932 HAF, Samsung Odyssey G5; 34", Win 10 X64 Pro, Track IR, TM Warthog, TM MFDs, Saitek Pro Flight Rudders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordWolf Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 You mentioned North Korean "obsolete equipment" several times. Well, what does Al-kaida have in Afghanistan and we are still waging longest war in our history. We are spending millions of dollars a day to fight few hundred guerrilla Al Kaida members equipped with AK-47's. My point is "superior equipment" is not necessarily decisive factor in a military conflict. When it comes to Norht Korea, they have nuclear bombs and waging any kind of war with them would be very stupid. North Korean regime can be successfully defeated without firing a single bullet, but that depends on whether we want it to end that way. And by the way, I don't know if we have any money to wage additional wars. For every dollar my government spends, 40 cents is borrowed. That behavior is not sustainable and additional unnecessary war, war of choice, would make our economical situation worse and just embolden North Korea and other's who don't like us. I'm sorry, but how can you compare talibans to North Koreans? NKs have fully developed military branch, own teritory and are capable of inflicting a full scale war.To be more specific, Talibands are just hiding and winning a war of attrition; while N. Koreans are able to take active actions. In my opinion, Kim Jong is just looking for more attention, either that, or he has fed up with south koreans provocative acts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPTIDE Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 SK need to order a limited punitive strike on NK> Wipe out one of their bases sounds good enough to me. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 SK need to order a limited punitive strike on NK> Wipe out one of their bases sounds good enough to me. I agree, but i have a feeling this'll all end with yet another "strongly worded letter" to the dear leader :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinro Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 If the NK military leadership has some sanityYou're kidding, right? When has North Korean leadership ever had sanity? North Korea gets away with so much because we rely on the UN to "reprimand" them, and the UN is a complete joke. I am slightly worried about conflict though, seeing how I'm planning to teach English in Japan and possibly in Korea within the next few years. One of my classmates is station over there in Uijeongbu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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