Horrible Training

[A10FAN]

That's why it takes years of hard work and study to be a combat pilot,

It's not suppose to be easy, if you want to be a pilot in 30 seconds go play

battlefield 2.

[fubar2niner]

That's why it takes years of hard work and study to be a combat pilot,

It's not suppose to be easy, if you want to be a pilot in 30 seconds go play

battlefield 2.

 

 

You obviously didn't read my post properly, as I said;

 

"I don't expect things to be easy to learn, just a little easier to digest without my brain exploding "

 

Best regards.

 

Fubar2Niner

[A10FAN]

You obviously didn't read my post properly, as I said;

 

"I don't expect things to be easy to learn, just a little easier to digest without my brain exploding "

 

Best regards.

 

Fubar2Niner

 

I know what your saying fubar and i didnt mean any disrespect but i think these missions are geared to the fact that the player has some basic knowledge of the systems,terminology and the overall aircraft itself. i've had this sim since it came out and im still doing the training missions and watching videos on youtube. this sim is like night and day from flaming cliffs. i figure i should be ready for a mission by the year 2020 :thumbup:

[pyates2104]

The explosions get less violent as you get more hours. My head still explodes on occasion, but I wear a track hat which keeps the Grey matter in:-)

 

I approached it the following way:

 

1. Set yourself a goal and read the relevant bits of the manual. (fly a basic circuit was my first one)

2. When you've achieved the goal and sort of know what your doing for that one task, do a training mission which contains it. (you may of missed something or they may be a better way of doing it)

3. Make sure you can do the task without referring to the manual.

4. Move on to the next task and goal.

 

My learning curve went something like:

 

1. Startup

2. Circuits (take off and landing)

3. Navigation (basic pre-defined way point navigation, HUD nav mode, switching waypoints)

4. Using the targeting pod

5. Using Mavs

6. Guns

7. CCIP, CCRP bombing mode with dumb bombs

8. Using GBU's, CCRP,

etc etc

 

I've done over 200 hours so far (all the betas) and I'm still having to learn AND re-learn stuff, but the more hours you do the simpler it gets. Creating missions just for the task/goal also help as you can quickly re-fly them after your head explodes and nothing else does.

[A10FAN]

here's some great video lessons, very well explained

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/Tigerpwrr#p/u/9/vdn9aHS9ZO0

[Villain]

Training is fine but personally i had to watch some of them a few times like startup has lots of steps so its harder to get used too, just watch them a few times you'll pick up stuff eventually my only complaint would be the startup mission goes straight to the next lesson on the runway with no inbetween.

[Frederf]

With the expectation that the DCS flight training (and even the manual) will compare with 800 hours of classroom time and 300 hours of flight instruction then yes, the DCS training is "horrible." Even Falcon 4.0's lessons which were at least twice as comprehensive were superficial and spotty in topic compared to a genuine education. A genuine education to IQT or even MQT levels absolutely dwarfs the software simulator product in terms of value. Perhaps more humble labeling of the educational aspect would lower expectations to reasonable levels.

 

The Flight Manual associated with DCS suffers from trying to be 10 different documents at once and thus lacks a clear purpose or narration. A complete suite of documents with separate purposes might be:

 

1. Aircraft, Military, and Equipment Familiarity

2. Aviation Knowledge

3. Fundamentals of Flight

4. Aircraft Systems

5. Normal and Emergency Procedures

6. Mission Planning

7. Combat Tactics

8. Software Manual

9. AI Management, Communication, and Interaction

10. Flight Lesson Syllabus & Practical Test Standards

 

Separating the 600 page behemoth into several separate PDFs could seriously improve the logical purpose of each. Because it's all one lump, a lot of the methodology for each purposes gets mixed into each other causing a muddled and aimless narration at times.

 

The Dash-1 for the A-10(A/C) is more of a "congratulations on your purchase of a Fairchild Republic... machine wash warm, do not iron... insert 3 AAA batteries" type of document. Real USAF pilots reference it to know their aircraft but it's not a book on how to fly. The closest thing to a book on how to fly is the cumulative lesson descriptions in the syllabus.

 

There is definately room to improve on the ED documentation in terms of reevaluating directions and motivations. If you approach the flight manual as an instructional document instead of a reference document you will be frustrated currently.

 

One thing I would like to see cleared up is the distinction between a procedure and a checklist. Nearly all checklists made by people on these forums have been procedures mislabeled. Viewed side by side it becomes obvious how different they are in construction and purpose.

[BBQ]

what Frederf said.

[jpanside]

The training in this game is horrible. Not only does the instructor sound like he is reading the instructions off of a piece of paper in a mono-tone voice, he uses wayyyy too many acronyms and never explains stuff fully. I just tried the navigation tutorial, and all it told me was that I needed to start switching frequencies around. The manual is probably the only effective training tool aside from having someone walk you through.

 

if the student is incompetent then the instructor can only do so much. I found the missions to be really well done, you just need to study a bit more before you dive in.

[hassata]

But they also say there are no bad students, only bad teachers. Like others, I found the manual although huge was a 'primer.' The forum posts, user-generated documents, checklists, and videos is what tied (is tying) it all together. Although it can be a bit of a hunt sometimes.

[rddaos]

Actually, it would be very easy to make the training better for people of all levels. But unfortunately, very few people are good at explaining things to people. Very few people seem to be good at imagining themselves to be the reader, not the writer. Therefore, very few training tutorials are as good as they could/should be.

[Wolf Rider]

Actually, it would be very easy to make the training better for people of all levels. But unfortunately, very few people are good at explaining things to people. Very few people seem to be good at imagining themselves to be the reader, not the writer. Therefore, very few training tutorials are as good as they could/should be.

 

 

this http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=76254 (its very well done) kind of approach combined with Training Missions may help...

[f-18hornet]

I only miss in training a JTAC mission.

[Nufsed]

Well that was a fascinating thread. I have said it before and I'll say it again.....You Guys are great, it's real honour to be associated with you all. Feldwebal jump on the 74th server some time, learning becomes a breeze when you have someone on your wing talking you through the procedures.:thumbup:

[sonicd0012]

I agree, the voice isnt the greatest and some of the stuff makes no sense.

[anfieldmarauder]

I have an e-reader (kindle) and the flaming cliffs manual, how do i copy it over? is ther a simpple way fer a numty to put it on his kindle theni can read it at work and hopefully get the dang craft to my next waypoint - advice would be brill please - ta - Mike

[AtaliaA1]

I have an e-reader (kindle) and the flaming cliffs manual, how do i copy it over? is ther a simpple way fer a numty to put it on his kindle theni can read it at work and hopefully get the dang craft to my next waypoint - advice would be brill please - ta - Mike

 

Sure. just plug the Kindle device into the USB of your PC and open it in a window, then open the location of the PDF file you want to add to the kindle in another window, drag and drop it. and it will be available to read after you start up the kindle again.

[213]

lol i spent 2 hours on training and was flying sorties with ease right after. it's perfectly fine. in fact it's very well done.

 

don't expect to be top dog coming in from the likes of falcon 4. dcs is on a whole different level.

 

the instructor sounds like obama.