Avoiding Sam missiles, possible?

[SonofEil]

I'm getting beamed to the notch right now!!:pilotfly:

[Conure]

Here's a couple different ways to do it.

 

With TAD:

By using whatever zoom level in the map you are comfortable with (ie. default, EXP or EXP2), guesstimate the location of your target from visual to the map, place cursor over that place and create a markpoint.

Set CDU to MARK and slave the TGP to that markpoint.

 

With TGP/Maverick:

Bring up your TGP or Maverick, ensure they are SOI and select boresight. Check boresight on HUD.

Point TGP/Maverick symbol at target by maneuvering the place.

For TGP: Once the diamond is over the target, move the tgp slightly and it will begin inertial tracking. Resume normal flight, make a markpoint if you want. Reset your flight to an initial point and attack.

 

For Maverick: Same as with tgp intially, but instead of moving it, just hit TMS aft short to ground stabilize and immediately create a markpoint with it - or adjust the sight onto target and attack right away if you prefer.

 

In any case, don't forget to offset/reset your flight to the desired altitude and IP before you commence attacking. Don't press you attack if you don't have to at first.

 

Finally, if you go to GUN mode on the HUD, the gun pipper should occlude any symbology under it.

 

I've just spent an hour reading the manual over the CDU section and feel a bit more confident with it, though I'm still not entirely sure of how to set a mark point with the TAD - Also, setting a guesstimate locale with the TAD is less accurate than boresighting the position isn't it?

 

cheers

[GGTharos]

Check your HOTAS sheet in the manual - there is a table that describes what each control does depending on which SOI you have selected (This is for markpoints).

 

And yes you're right, using boresight might be preferable. It all depends on how safe you feel doing vs. the other.

[Chill31]

Tharos,

 

Does DCS A10 or DCS in general model the effect of background clutter for IR missiles? For example, if my background is clouds, or some hills, or sun, etc do those features make it less likely to be shot at by IR/Optical weapons?

[skypirate]

Just to add a few words about SAM avoidance:

 

Knowing the SAM technology might help you avoid being hit even in the most hairy situations. The SAM missile has a thruster that burns out a few seconds after the launch. Next the missile goes ballistic, and this is when you start your dance. Any maneuver you will do means that the missile will have to correct, then bleed energy until finally it slows down to a speed where the missile flight controls lose effectiveness. You can dive, beam, climb, do S-split, turn around basically anything that will make the missile do work...

Out of Desert Storm A-10 pilots memories, even in the most hopeless situation when the missile is in the terminal guidance stage (few seconds before impact) one last high-G pull will give you enough distance to avoid totall destruction.

[effte]

beaming could 'filter' you out of radar types that are geared to acquiring targets moving towards or away from it, correct?

 

Affirm, and that would be the aforementioned doppler radars. Doppler radars usually try to compensate for the velocity of the carrying vehicle (in this case the missile), so beaming renders you a slow-moving target from the perspective of the missiles doppler radar.

 

I wonder to what degree the missile doppler radars actually filter out the missile velocity. Probably less than aircraft radars, as they are not supposed to be looking into the ground clutter. In addition, I wonder if they have airspeed sensing or if they'd have to guess at their current velocity. I have a feeling this information is not available in the public domain...

 

Cheers,

Fred

[GGTharos]

Not yet, but it does model the temperature of the engines based on throttle (and especially the difference between afterburner and MIL power). It also models the sun - don't shoot when its in the HUD :)

 

Tharos,

 

Does DCS A10 or DCS in general model the effect of background clutter for IR missiles? For example, if my background is clouds, or some hills, or sun, etc do those features make it less likely to be shot at by IR/Optical weapons?

[Conure]

Great replies people, youv e been very helpful so thank you. I have a new question :D I've been reading the manual and am about half way through...Anyway, under the Maverick section it talks about ATA (automatic target acquisition) mode, though it doesn't go into much depth. Am I right in thinking this mode would auto stabilise on an area and scan said area? If so, how do I enable it?! It doesnt explain how as far as I can see!

 

Cheers

[GGTharos]

Any time you slew the maverick, or command ground stabilization or lock, it will enter ATA.

[Conure]

Ahhh that makes sense :) Thanks

[Raz_Specter]

use TMS aft to ground stabalise the seeker

[kingneptune117]

If you have a visual on the target, do these easy steps. No map required :thumbup:

 

1. Place target in your hud.

 

2. Engage targeting pod

 

3. Put targeting pod reticule diamond (which is displayed on the hud and you can move it around) over the target

 

4. lock the target.

 

5. Look at the MFD to fine tune your lock on the target

 

6. done.

[baksie]

My question is the timing. How can you tell WHEN to pull that manouver?

[imayora]

 

Notching requires you to enter the doppler notch, so you beam to the notch but the additional requirement is that you must force a look-down problem. Although it is not modeled in DCS currently

 

What's not modeled? just notching or look-down?

 

I've been unsuccessful trying to get rid of the migs at medium range intending to take advantage of look down so if it's not currently modeled that would explain some things ;)

[GGTharos]

Read the rest of the sentence that you cut out of the quote ;)

[TheMoose]

http://flankertraining.com/ironhand/news.html

 

There are some great videos here on Rich's site, they've helped me scrape past one or two SAMS in the past :P

 

Wondering where Rich's is at? I haven’t seen him on the forum for a while... However I'm glad to see his website is still up.:thumbup:

[Broadsword]

Just to add a point on brevity. The call for a manoeuvre to place a missile/threat radar on the 3-9 when carried out by friendlies is "Notch". When the manoeuvre is being carried out by a threat, the call is "Beam".

Edited January 26, 2011 by Broadsword

[S77th-konkussion]

Check your HOTAS sheet in the manual - there is a table that describes what each control does depending on which SOI you have selected (This is for markpoints).

 

And yes you're right, using boresight might be preferable. It all depends on how safe you feel doing vs. the other.

 

 

psst Conure- check it out..

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1069256&postcount=23 (1 sheet)

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1069644&postcount=30 (2 sheet- bigger)

[Conure]

psst Conure- check it out..

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1069256&postcount=23 (1 sheet)

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1069644&postcount=30 (2 sheet- bigger)

 

That's amazing, thank you!

[S77th-konkussion]

Obviously- These charts are only suitable if you have these HATS emulated on your stick like the real thing.. AT LEAST a TMS & DMS.. I think the X52 pro has an edge over the regular in this regard.. nevermind.. read sig- You got it.