REL Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 considering page 591: Ditching If you must land the aircraft on water, follow these steps before doing so: 1. Ensure landing gear is up. 2. Jettison all external stores. 3. Set flaps to down (DN) setting. 4. Fully close the speed brakes. 5. Jettison the canopy. 6. Set oxygen to 100%. 7. Land on the water with a minimum decent rate. Is it possible in the sim to land on water?
159th_Viper Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Apparently not........ :D Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Raz_Specter Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 LOL :) Custom built W10 Pro 64Bit, Intel Core i9 9900k, Asus ROG Maximus Code XI Z390, 64GB DDR4 3200 RGB, Samsung 1TB NVme M.2 Drive, Gigabyte AORUS 2080TI, 40" Iiyama Display. Wacom Cintiq Pro 24, HOTAS Virpil T50 Stick / FA-18C TM Stick and Virpil T50 Throttle, MFG Crosswind Graphite Pedals. HP Reverb SPECTER [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Lead Terrain Developer / Texture Artist
rextar Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 How do u jettison canopy ? Intel i5 3.2 ghz 8 GB crucial ram gtx 660 superclocked 2gb 500watt corsair psu win7 64bit extreme pro track ir5 Turtle beach x12
159th_Viper Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 How do u jettison canopy ? Jettison-Canopy switch is non-functional. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
todd022 Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 just open it while airborne...should come off. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
power5 Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Why 100% oxygen? I like how it just says minimum decent rate, but not what maximum forward speed. Aren't they dependent on each other without stalling? Not sure about the speed brakes being closed either. I would think slowest possible speed would be the goal in any crash landing scenario. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Aaron i7 2600k@4.4ghz, GTX1060-6gb, 16gb DDR3, T16000m, Track IR5 BS2-A10C-UH1-FC3-M2000-F18C-A4E-F14B-BF109
bradleyjs Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 just open it while airborne...should come off. I just love the "Brute Force" option -- it'll work as designed! Alienware Area 51 R5 - Intel i9 7980XE (4.7 GHz), 32GB Dual Channel HyperX DDR4 XMP, Dual NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Graphics 11GB GDDR5X SLI, 4.5 TB combo of SSDs/HDDs, Alienware 1500 Watt Multi-GPU Power Supply, Alienware 25” 240Hz Gaming Monitor, Alienware Pro Gaming Keyboard, TM HOTAS, TM Cougar F-16C MFDs, Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals, TrackIR5, Win10 Pro x64
636_Castle Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 I wonder, if the canopy is opened and it tears off in mid flight, does the aircraft get harder to control? Is there a loud roar of wind? I love jettisoning the canopy in the VRS Superbug and trying to keep it under control. :joystick: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] How To Fix Your X-52's Rudder!
Smoky Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Jettison the canopy in FC made things a lot louder.
Cali Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Jettison the canopy in FC made things a lot louder. Seriously....why? :music_whistling: i7-4820k @ 3.7, Windows 7 64-bit, 16GB 1866mhz EVGA GTX 970 2GB, 256GB SSD, 500GB WD, TM Warthog, TM Cougar MFD's, Saitek Combat Pedals, TrackIR 5, G15 keyboard, 55" 4K LED
Quirkitized Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Seriously....why? :music_whistling: Because you're not a hot shot unless your hair is blowing in the wind going mach 1. Hollywood baby.
PhoenixBvo Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Mach 1 ? In a hog? Show me how!!! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPU i7 4970k @ 4.7 GHz RAM 16GB G.Skill TridentX 1600 ATX ASUS Z97-PRO DSU Samsung 850 PRO 256GB SSD for Win10, Plextor M6e 128GB SSD for DCS exclusively, RAID-1 HDDs GFX Aorus GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Xtreme Edition, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q, 27" with G-Sync, Oculus Rift CV1 HID TM HOTAS Warthog + 10 cm extension, MFG Crosswind pedals, TrackIR 5, Obutto oZone My TM Warthog Profile + Chart, F-15C EM Diagram Generator
Quirkitized Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Didn't you see my hollywood disclaimer? :D
REL Posted January 25, 2011 Author Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) So in a short story the manual should be updated from: If you must land the aircraft on water, follow these steps before doing so: 1. Ensure landing gear is up. 2. Jettison all external stores. 3. Set flaps to down (DN) setting. 4. Fully close the speed brakes. 5. Jettison the canopy. 6. Set oxygen to 100%. 7. Land on the water with a minimum decent rate. to: If you must land the aircraft on water, you are going to become a big water pole anyway, so don't bother to follow these steps before doing so : 1. Ensure landing gear is up. 2. Jettison all external stores. 3. Set flaps to down (DN) setting. 4. Fully close the speed brakes. 5. Jettison the canopy. 6. Set oxygen to 100%. 7. Land on the water with a minimum decent rate :smilewink: I hope that will change some day ... Edited January 25, 2011 by REL
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JaseGill Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 I imagine speed-brake closed is based on the fact that those big old paddles will hit the water before most of the airframe with the L/G already retracted and therefore induce a pitch forward as they hit or worst case shear the wings off. Some may wonder then why flaps down? Well its a necessary evil, I'm sure landing on water with a clean wing is preferable but you need the flaps to get speed off, its a trade off that's acceptable, which is probably not the case with air-brakes. It may be due to there being more strength inboard on the wings where the flaps are in comparison to the speed-brakes being very much outboard. I imagine the ditching procedure is based on the real A10C ditching procedure. In aircraft I have flown the idea is to have as little as possible hanging (hence stores jettison), put it down gently and allow it to in effect surf to a halt, then you jump out ASAP, hence canopy jettison in the case of the A10C (you'd lose engines and hence probably hydraulics soon after a ditch). Given the fidelity of the sim I'm surprised it doesn't mention tide direction in case of a ditching too, but that's probably just something to do with the tides not being modelled sufficiently to affect a ditch procedure in game? Rig: Home Built, water cooled,i5 2500K @ 4.3Ghz, ASUS P8P67Pro Mobo, 8GB Patriot Viper 2 Sector 5 RAM, MSI Nvidia GTX970 4GB Gaming OC, 120GB OCZ Vertex 2e SSD Boot, 120GB OCZ Vertex 2e SSD Games (BS & WH), Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB other, Samsung UE37D5000 37" LED TV,EloTouch 1600x1200 secondary, Thrustmaster Warthog No.467, Thrustmaster MFD, Saitek Pro Pedals, Track IR4 with Track Clip Pro. Ex RAF Aircrew, Real Life Pilot, proud Geek and father of one :)
REL Posted January 25, 2011 Author Posted January 25, 2011 Given the fidelity of the sim I'm surprised it doesn't mention tide direction in case of a ditching too, but that's probably just something to do with the tides not being modelled sufficiently to affect a ditch procedure in game? I'm surprised that the second that your plane touch the water (In the sim) you simply explode !!! I hope that I'm wrong about that but this is what I understood from what been said here, didn't got to try this myself yet.
JaseGill Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Rel, I was under the impression that it sinks, cant say I have tried and very open to correction on that one. I'd expect the jet to float for some time in most configurations, again open to correction. A Nimrod (big ASW jet) ditched in the Moray Firth on approach to Kinloss some time ago and it floated long enough for everyone to pitch over the side into MS10's. Rig: Home Built, water cooled,i5 2500K @ 4.3Ghz, ASUS P8P67Pro Mobo, 8GB Patriot Viper 2 Sector 5 RAM, MSI Nvidia GTX970 4GB Gaming OC, 120GB OCZ Vertex 2e SSD Boot, 120GB OCZ Vertex 2e SSD Games (BS & WH), Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB other, Samsung UE37D5000 37" LED TV,EloTouch 1600x1200 secondary, Thrustmaster Warthog No.467, Thrustmaster MFD, Saitek Pro Pedals, Track IR4 with Track Clip Pro. Ex RAF Aircrew, Real Life Pilot, proud Geek and father of one :)
159th_Viper Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 I'm surprised that the second that your plane touch the water (In the sim) you simply explode !!! You do not explode. You simply come to an abrupt (read immediate) stop and sink. What is not modelled is the 'surfing' effect from touchdown to stopping. Controlled emergency landings in water are extremely rare at the best of times for any type of plane, never mind the A10 (I dare say it's never happened....yet). As such I would guess that it falls squarely within the 'Not reasonable to allocate time and resources' pigeon-hole in the Dev's office ;) Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
REL Posted January 25, 2011 Author Posted January 25, 2011 You do not explode. You simply come to an abrupt (read immediate) stop and sink. What is not modelled is the 'surfing' effect from touchdown to stopping. ;) 159th_Viper, Thanks for the clarification, I do hope that the 'surfing' effect will be modelled in the future though. JaseGill, I guess we know better now..?
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Dynamo Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) If you were over water, the plane having no chance to hit any buildings/ships etc, wouldn't the pilot be safer ejecting? Or is there any other benefit from ditching? I assume the A-10 won't stay afloat for long, and any survival equipment will be part of the ejection seat, surely? King Neptune, I assume like the trainers I have seen, the straps in the aircraft will have a quick release mechanism, i,e, press a button, rotate 90 degrees, and all straps fall away when you stand. Edited January 25, 2011 by Dynamo
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