Is it possible to make all measurements in ONE SYSTEM ???

[JEFX]

wow... Since I started that thread, I might as well give my little word here... I never thought that this would become a religous thread.:music_whistling:

 

My only concern, when starting this thread, was about concistency in the simulator, in order to get the same system of measurement in all aspects of the game when one particular system is chosen in the options. My claim is that it is difficult to work in the ME if distance is measured with feet and winds with meters per seconds, for example.

 

If one likes better one system or the other is totally irrelevant here...

 

The fact is that the Hog's dials and gauges are in imperial, therefore it is preferable to work in imperial system to operate it.

 

My thread was more intended as a bug report rather than the beginning of a crusade where Knights of the Foot fight against Lords of the Meter.

[JEFX]

By the way, I just realize that this thread has been put into the WISHLIST sub-forum and I think it is wrong : it describe an inconsistency (which may probably be easy to correct) in the game between units of measurements, and this is more of a sort of bug than something to wish for, no?

 

thanks

[PlainSight]

Imperial becomes hilarious to me, when you have to say a thickness of a stell plate, for example. We say 2-3 milimeters, but in imperial, you'd say something like 12/18 of an inch :doh:

 

You just need to get a feeling how much is certain length, so you dont' have to convert it. Like said before, a foot is a foot, NM is NM, knots, it works perfectly in (aero)nautical world.

Edited April 30, 2011 by PlainSight

[PlainSight]

wow... Since I started that thread, I might as well give my little word here... I never thought that this would become a religous thread.:music_whistling:

 

My only concern, when starting this thread, was about concistency in the simulator, in order to get the same system of measurement in all aspects of the game when one particular system is chosen in the options. My claim is that it is difficult to work in the ME if distance is measured with feet and winds with meters per seconds, for example.

 

If one likes better one system or the other is totally irrelevant here...

 

The fact is that the Hog's dials and gauges are in imperial, therefore it is preferable to work in imperial system to operate it.

 

My thread was more intended as a bug report rather than the beginning of a crusade where Knights of the Foot fight against Lords of the Meter.

 

It's not a crusade, it just little differences, haven't you seen Pulp Fiction?

[Silver_Dragon]

The ICAO, set heigh altitude on feet's and speed on Knots, we need maintain with that standard .

[bluepilot76]

JEFX, it looks like this one got away from you. To stay on topic, I will agree that the ME should match the units in the cockpit.

 

I am British. I use MPH for driving. KMH for running. M/S at work. KTS for flying (Except in one C172 that has MPH ASI). I measure altitude in feet by setting millibars on the scale. I measure temmperature in Celsius. I measure my weight in Stones and my aircrafts wieght in KG. I buy fuel by the litre but use pounds in the calculations. I will not try and argue that this is the correct way to be.

 

In the real world, aviation in particular, Units are very much a fact of life. There is not and will not be a unifying system that we all abide to. Are Boeing going to adopt Tupolevs instruments? and vice versa? Never!

 

Are people killed because pilots forget the difference between kg of fuel and pounds of fuel? Yes!

 

What does it all Mean? I dont know, but I like things the way they are. The more variability in culture in the world the better. Should we all be able to choose what instruments we use? ONLY IF YOU WANT TO FLY IN ARCADE MODE. Otherwise, KEEP IT REAL!

 

PS I hate russian style artificial horizons. Wouldnt change it in KA 50 though. It just wouldnt be right!

 

PPS What I really dont get though, is why does most of the world drive on the wrong side of the road??? (JOKE!)

[Speed]

I like the way it currently is if it forces you guys to finally learn metric :P

[Frostiken]

PPS What I really dont get though, is why does most of the world drive on the wrong side of the road???

 

Because it's the right side :)

[JEFX]

JEFX, it looks like this one got away from you. To stay on topic, I will agree that the ME should match the units in the cockpit.

 

I am British. I use MPH for driving. KMH for running. M/S at work. KTS for flying (Except in one C172 that has MPH ASI). I measure altitude in feet by setting millibars on the scale. I measure temmperature in Celsius. I measure my weight in Stones and my aircrafts wieght in KG. I buy fuel by the litre but use pounds in the calculations. I will not try and argue that this is the correct way to be.

 

In the real world, aviation in particular, Units are very much a fact of life. There is not and will not be a unifying system that we all abide to. Are Boeing going to adopt Tupolevs instruments? and vice versa? Never!

 

Are people killed because pilots forget the difference between kg of fuel and pounds of fuel? Yes!

 

What does it all Mean? I dont know, but I like things the way they are. The more variability in culture in the world the better. Should we all be able to choose what instruments we use? ONLY IF YOU WANT TO FLY IN ARCADE MODE. Otherwise, KEEP IT REAL!

 

PS I hate russian style artificial horizons. Wouldnt change it in KA 50 though. It just wouldnt be right!

 

PPS What I really dont get though, is why does most of the world drive on the wrong side of the road??? (JOKE!)

 

 

 

HAHAHAHA! :thumbup: Great post. I really think that this is the best sense of humor in the world! Thanks

 

And , more seriously, I also agree with you about the variables : I love to delve in a simulation of something that has all the little details right, like you said about russian instruments and now, US instruments being different. And I certainly played a lot of LOFC with the ME in metric and the cockpit in russian, where now, I like to play A-10C with imperial measurements...

 

My only little point was about consistency throughout the different functions of ONE particular Mission Editor (DCS A-10C) that has both systems mixed up in a non logical way.

 

Thanks again for that great post!

 

JF

 

(P.S. I am a frog from Montreal and I speak french as my native tongue, but I really think british humour is the best!)

[Frederf]

Ignore the little ones that want to argue whether aviation should use either system and we can have a grown up discussion about what system is actually used to simulate.

 

My claim is that it is difficult to work in the ME if distance is measured with feet and winds with meters per seconds, for example.

 

Haha, great example. Did you know that when you set "5 m/s" winds in the weather panel of the ME, you're actually setting 5 knots (assuming imperial unit in options)? The interface says m/s but all it cares about is the "5." Game's funny like that.

[bluepilot76]

HAHAHAHA! :thumbup: Great post. I really think that this is the best sense of humor in the world! Thanks

 

At last! someone that gets me! I dont suppose you want to get married?

 

Oh, wait a minute I bet your not one of those sexy french-canadian chicks with the AMAZING accents, because you probably wouldnt be on a flight simulator forum if you were...but on the slim chance that you are...and you like to fly flight simulators, flying in general and spending lazy afternoons drinking wine in the Chelsea Hotel then I'm Your Man!

Cheers

 

BP

 

PS Did you spot the 2 Leonard Cohen links there, sorry couldnt resist! He is one of my favorite writers and singers.

[effte]

When it comes to the Imperial system, you should never have to actually convert anything. Nobody will say 'take your aircraft to 152,900 inches AGL!'.

 

If measuring distances which are all on the same scale is all you do - no problems. For anything more advanced, you run into problems.

 

What's the angle relative to the horizontal to the top of that 300 feet high mast 1300 yards away?

 

How many Joules will it take to go through 270 degrees with a 2 yard lever arm against a torque of 27 lbf-ft?

 

What happened to the Mars lander, and what did NASA do about it?

 

I won't even mention the slug workaround.

[Shinigami]

Apparently you metric guys just don't get it :) Let's try this: Think about how far a meter is. Let's say you had to explain to an alien (who has his own system of measurement that you don't understand) how far a meter is without actually showing him. What would you say? You would have to use a universal constant, ie: the speed of light in a vacuum, at which point you would have to use, as JS put it, an 'overly complicated' conversion that is 'not consistent'. What does 1/299,792,458th of a second have to do with anything? If a meter were truly a 'universal' system of measurement, wouldn't it make more sense to define a meter as "the distance light travels in a vacuum in 1/100,000,000th or 1/10,000,000,000th of a second"?

 

To compare, light travels one foot in 1/983,571,056th of a second. That is just as much a bullshit number as 1/299,792,568th!

 

My point is this: A meter is nothing special. The only reason you 'get' meters is because you've been ingrained with the understanding of just how far a meter is in regards to spatial distance. Likewise, when a scientists talks about lightyears, he doesn't expect you to calculate the relationship between a lightyear and a meter in your head - you simply have to understand the spatial distance of a lightyear: the distance in a vacuum that light travels in a year. The same goes for other spatial distances that far exceed that of a single meter - for example, one AU. Because for most people, numbers become meaningless when they're very large. What's easier to understand - "The Andromeda Galaxy is 2.5 million LY away", or "The Andromeda Galaxy is 23,651,321,000,000,000,000,000 meters away!"

 

When it comes to the Imperial system, you should never have to actually convert anything. Nobody will say 'take your aircraft to 152,900 inches AGL!'.

 

A foot is a foot. It corresponds to a set spatial distance. An inch is an inch. Again, it corresponds to a spatial distance. That spatial distance just happens to be 1/12th of a foot, however, just because you *can* convert doesn't mean you have to.

 

As I said, a kilometer isn't a unit of distance, it's just 1000 meters. To that end, (physical distance aside) the difference between saying 10,000 feet and 10 kilometers is effectively nil. Why? Because a foot is a foot is a foot. The number of yards in a mile doesn't matter, just your spatial understanding of how far a yard is versus a mile. No user of the Imperial system has to actually perform conversions, because when we say 'four feet', we understand how far four feet is - we don't think 'four feet... that's 1.3333 yards!'.

 

PS: If you want to know more about how the metric system is just as stupid as the Imperial system, consider the gold plate that's attached to the Voyager probes, upon which scientists have inscribed instructions for translating time and distance to an alien race. Absolutely nowhere on that record is anything relating to 'meters'. The use the transition period of hydrogen, and the speed of light.

 

Not your ambiguous, meaningless 'meters' :)

 

Lol the hole world use the metric system (they don't tell it the international metric system for nothing) are you that dumb that don't understand that!!!!!!!

[JS]

What happened to the Mars lander, and what did NASA do about it? I won't even mention the slug workaround.

 

I know what happened to the lander, some idiots used imperial measurements instead of metric, so it got lost. But what did NASA do about it? And what is a "slug workaround"?

[GGTharos]

I think you failed to understand what he said, so um ... yeah.

 

Don't insult other members.

 

Lol the hole world use the metric system (they don't tell it the international metric system for nothing) are you that dumb that don't understand that!!!!!!!