bflagg Posted July 20, 2005 Posted July 20, 2005 Guys... I don't get this... I keep shooting my own guys... yet my mfd radar identfies who is friendly and who isn't... If they look like this.. don't shoot.... right? (dot) When I lock onto the other type of symbol (rectangle), like tonite, I end up shooting friendlies. (got a few complaints then got booted) I don't blame them, but I am following the books, and tutors on how to do this and I still keep targeting friendlies. What in the hell am I missing with this freaking sim? IFF PLEASE ED! Thanks, Brett
GGTharos Posted July 20, 2005 Posted July 20, 2005 First of all, what's your NCTR telling you? Second, are they running ECM? ECM near an AMRAAM=death magnet. The 120 will veer right off and go for whomever's got his ECM on. And yes, do NOT fire on dots/circles. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Prophet_169th Posted July 20, 2005 Posted July 20, 2005 Also, I believe that in the F15, if you have a threat locked, you get a star below the target box.
bflagg Posted July 20, 2005 Author Posted July 20, 2005 Hi GG.. I just went thru the tutorials again and I'm doing everything right except for waiting for (RTR) with in R-MAX and R-MIN range. (like is showed on the tutorial). NCTR was showing unknown in my situation online and I think this is where I was making my mistake..(over anxious). Target was at approx 15nm out. Shouldn't the F15 identify friend from foe by this distance..?? No jamming at this time during this senario..pic above was from a different engagment. Thanks, Brett
bflagg Posted July 20, 2005 Author Posted July 20, 2005 Also, I believe that in the F15, if you have a threat locked, you get a star below the target box. Hi Prophet... In one case tonite, I did have the star showing, and I couldn't tell if it was friend from foe in the VSD (I didn't fire in this case and broke lock) and it turned out to be a friendly.... Thanks, Brett
GGTharos Posted July 20, 2005 Posted July 20, 2005 Last I checked, the star is nothing but an indication that you're in firing range. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
GGTharos Posted July 20, 2005 Posted July 20, 2005 Hi GG.. I just went thru the tutorials again and I'm doing everything right except for waiting for (RTR) with in R-MAX and R-MIN range. (like is showed on the tutorial). NCTR was showing unknown in my situation online and I think this is where I was making my mistake..(over anxious). Target was at approx 15nm out. Shouldn't the F15 identify friend from foe by this distance..?? No jamming at this time during this senario..pic above was from a different engagment. Probably, but I'd think not in a tailchase. If this was a head on shot, and you locked up what your'ecertian is a dot, something's wrong. I don't shoot friendlies, and that's ebcause I ID my contacts on teh VSD. If i lock up something close, I'll either rely on teh NCTR or I'll VID it if I -must-, but I've not had much trouble with AA target identification. WHen in doubt, teh you have the range, dump the lock, switch to RWS (the contacts are brighter) and check what you're locking up there. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
bflagg Posted July 20, 2005 Author Posted July 20, 2005 Yes.. but wouldn't that also be enough to get a nctr indentification? Thanks, Brett
GGTharos Posted July 20, 2005 Posted July 20, 2005 No, NCTR has to process the return from the turbine blades, which takes some number crunching time. Not ridiculously long, but it increases the pucker factor. IFF and NCTR is are two quite different things - IFF has a transmitter that yells 'hey I'm friendly' whereas NCTR is something entirely different. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Kula66 Posted July 20, 2005 Posted July 20, 2005 Yes.. but wouldn't that also be enough to get a nctr indentification? I thought nctr told you target type not friend or foe. And with all types on both sides it doesn't usually help.
Pilotasso Posted July 20, 2005 Posted July 20, 2005 When I lock onto the other type of symbol (rectangle), like tonite, I end up shooting friendlies. (got a few complaints then got booted) I don't blame them, but I am following the books, and tutors on how to do this and I still keep targeting friendlies. What in the hell am I missing with this freaking sim? IFF PLEASE ED! Your probably shooting at over 20 miles away at targets alredy engaged with friendlies close by. In order to avoid this, lock him up in TWS, then take it under 10 miles or less before firing it. Any nearby friendlies are then less likely of standing in the missiles view cone. Last night I fired at a SU-27 and got a Su-33 kill. .
bflagg Posted July 20, 2005 Author Posted July 20, 2005 Morning Guys.. thanks for you inputs and will try again tonite after work.. (pilotasso...I am engaging under 20nm, but I think it's quite possible this also is occuring in situations) Thanks, Brett
Gazehound Posted July 20, 2005 Posted July 20, 2005 Once I managed to lock and fire a R-27ER at a friendly from close range, with full LA and no friendly marker on the hud. Also, the bogey appeared as a bandit on my hdd, and had music off. It takes some severe grovelling to pacify people whn you do that to them. Someone mentioned it may have been the angle of approach to the bogey not letting the iff interrogate. Also, I used weapon launch override in a previous plane to launch heaters when I was hit, but I bailed and this was a new plane. VVS504 Red Hammers
SUBS17 Posted July 20, 2005 Posted July 20, 2005 What did the radar identify the enemy aircraft as? If I'm using EOS with IR missiles I sometimes do a positive visual ID to confirm I haven't locked onto a friendly. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
Kula66 Posted July 25, 2005 Posted July 25, 2005 I thought nctr told you target type not friend or foe. And with all types on both sides it doesn't usually help. Is this right?
GGTharos Posted July 25, 2005 Posted July 25, 2005 Yes, it is. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Kula66 Posted July 25, 2005 Posted July 25, 2005 Cheers GGT ... any sign of proper IFF display for the F-15? Perhaps in the patch?
GGTharos Posted July 25, 2005 Posted July 25, 2005 Probably not in the patch, maybe in 1.2 ... but it seems we know how it works now at least. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
S77th-GOYA Posted July 25, 2005 Posted July 25, 2005 Simply put, if you've got friendlies in front of you, don't fire a 120 or 77.
GGTharos Posted July 25, 2005 Posted July 25, 2005 Not that simple. If you have friendlies in front of you, tell'em to shut off ECM because you're about pop a slammer (or adder). [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
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