WIP - Improved CBU-97/105

[BoneSaw]

Work In Progress.

 

 

 

Yes, so recent that you don't have it yet.

 

 

 

Waiting.

 

Grrrrr Okay fine, I guess I'll wait.:joystick:

 

[BoneSaw]

Is it done yet?

[Frostiken]

I find the picture of the tanks being mauled to be a little puzzling - all the footage I've seen of the CBU-97 suggests that most skeets fire their EFPs about 50 meters or so above the targets. Even if you did set it to a higher altitude initial function, I was led to believe that the skeets have their own laser ranging as well to ensure the targets are within optimal range for the EFP...

[159th_Viper]

Viper, not the submunition, the dispenser TMD-66.

 

Wags' screenies illustrate the SUU-66/B dispenser well enough, no?

[159th_Viper]

I find the picture of the tanks being mauled to be a little puzzling - all the footage I've seen of the CBU-97 suggests that most skeets fire their EFPs about 50 meters or so above the targets. Even if you did set it to a higher altitude initial function, I was led to believe that the skeets have their own laser ranging as well to ensure the targets are within optimal range for the EFP...

 

And? :)

 

You are seeing the 10 BLU-108/B's parachuting down prior to the rocket firing, sending the BLU's rocketing upward and releasing the skeets, who thereafter do their majik.

[Frostiken]

And what? The picture shows them firing the penetrators from like half a mile up.

 

Granted I don't know much about this system, but I imagine for penetrating armor, the closer the better since the EFP will lose a lot of velocity and accuracy at that distance. All videos I've seen show the penetrators firing at less than half that distance.

[159th_Viper]

And what? The picture shows them firing the penetrators from like half a mile up.....

 

Erm, no.

 

[sobek]

The picture shows them firing the penetrators from like half a mile up.

 

Those are the dispensers, not the skeets.

[Grimes]

That is the sexiest thing I have ever seen.

[Frostiken]

Viper, are those not the penetrators mid-flight? Or are you suggesting that the screenshot just happens to have caught them as they left the skeet? What are the tiny black dots around the 'fired' dispersers at the top of the screen then? Look like skeets to me.

 

 

Edited August 5, 2011 by Frostiken

[EtherealN]

WIP <--- "Work In Progress".

 

;)

[Frostiken]

WIP <--- "Work In Progress".

 

;)

 

Alright well, submit it as a bug report :D It doesn't help the matter than the skeets don't explode with black smoke.

 

Regardless my intent was more on finding more about the system, if they really can fire from that high. Picture was to illustrate my question, not to call out Viper...

[159th_Viper]

That's kind of absurd.......

 

No - your nitpicking is absurd.

 

 

So what are the tiny black dots that are around the dispensers? ....

 

There are originally 10 dispensers.In the pick there are 4 left descending. What do you think happened to the other 6? They dispensed their skeets and what you are seeing is the debris.

 

Why are the dispensers themselves to high anyway?

......

 

Where do you think they started off from? They were dispensed at the altitude set in the HOF and parachute their way down.

 

 

You're suggesting that the penetrator in the picture was captured the moment it left the skeet, right?......

 

Why not?

 

At the time there are twenty four skeets unaccounted for - to visually capture two at time of release or thereafter seems eminently reasonable.

 

 

Oh yeah - frilly smoke = WIP.

Edited August 5, 2011 by 159th_Viper

[Mugenjin]

So awesome, I cannot wait for this to be released ;D

[Snoopy]

This just goes to show how picky our community can be...Wags posts something to share with the community that he really didn't have to, makes it obvious it's a work in progress yet some people still want to complain. Looks awesome and I can't wait to fire up my test version to check them out in person!!!

[Frostiken]

Is this really that hard? I'm not asking you to invent cold fusion here.

 

Question: Do the skeets in real life really fire from that high altitude?

 

Concern: The picture shows a penetrator captured mid-flight most likely firing from half a mile in the air, where all the canisters and skeets are (one of which can be seen releasing four more skeets).

 

Possible answers:

 

A) The skeets don't discriminate based on range, but at greater altitudes the penetrator will have reduced effect as one would expect.

B) It's our understanding that the effectiveness of the EFP is maintained over long distances and that the skeets can and do function within that altitude envelope.

C) No, this is just a work-in-progress though and expect it to change.

D) RARJARAHLGBLA ARGUING SEMANTICS HULK SMASH

 

Wags posts something to share with the community that he really didn't have to, makes it obvious it's a work in progress yet some people still want to complain.

 

Nobody's complaining about anything, all I did was voice my puzzlement at the height the skeets are firing at.

Edited August 5, 2011 by 159th_Viper
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[Snoopy]

Is this really that hard? I'm not asking you to invent cold fusion here.

 

Question: Do the skeets in real life really fire from that high altitude?

 

Concern: The picture shows a penetrator captured mid-flight most likely firing from half a mile in the air, where all the canisters and skeets are (one of which can be seen releasing four more skeets).

 

Possible answers:

 

A) The skeets don't discriminate based on range, but at greater altitudes the penetrator will have reduced effect as one would expect.

B) It's our understanding that the effectiveness of the EFP is maintained over long distances and that the skeets can and do function within that altitude envelope.

C) No, this is just a work-in-progress though and expect it to change.

D) RARJARAHLGBLA ARGUING SEMANTICS HULK SMASH

 

 

 

Nobody's complaining about anything, all I did was ask a simple question, if the skeets really do work from that high altitude..

 

I'm not going to go back and forth with you...you are allowed your opinion and my post wasn't directed at you....

 

Also, you and I can't get along cause I'm a crew chief and your a spec ;) I think it's in our AFSC descriptions that we aren't suppose to get along (although my best friend of 16 years is a spec). :lol:

Edited August 5, 2011 by 159th_Viper
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[EtherealN]

Frostiken, I think the issue here might be that people who know might not be at liberty to answer the question. ;)

 

From my own (incomplete) understanding of the system, however, they do not discriminate on range. They spin to scan their seekers and when they see something they fire. I haven't studied this system well enough to make a proper guess, but my understanding is that the skeets don't have facility for any triangulation and thus no real sense of slant range. (There might well be ways to compensate and still get specific range function, but I wouldn't know.)

 

The big deal right here though is that it's WIP, essentially showing you "hey, look at what we are working on". :) (And please remember that we as Testers aren't the right people to respond to questions of planned features. We can only comment on what's already been made public.)

 

For now, I'd just invite you to enjoy the pictures and their general implication. It's not the time to worry about particulars. :)

[EtherealN]

(although my best friend of 16 years is a spec)

 

Should I ask const to change your title to "traitor"? :D

[Frostiken]

It's okay Paul, I'll always love you :D Only the first part of my post was actually directed at Viper... shame on me for not quoting.

 

Don't expect a hug until you roll around in some soak-up pads though.

 

Frostiken, I think the issue here might be that people who know might not be at liberty to answer the question.

 

From my own (incomplete) understanding of the system, however, they do not discriminate on range. They spin to scan their seekers and when they see something they fire. I haven't studied this system well enough to make a proper guess, but my understanding is that the skeets don't have facility for any triangulation and thus no real sense of slant range. (There might well be ways to compensate and still get specific range function, but I wouldn't know.)

 

The big deal right here though is that it's WIP, essentially showing you "hey, look at what we are working on". (And please remember that we as Testers aren't the right people to respond to questions of planned features. We can only comment on what's already been made public.)

 

For now, I'd just invite you to enjoy the pictures and their general implication. It's not the time to worry about particulars.

 

Thanks, that's good enough. I only brought it up because I remember reading something about the skeet having a laser on it and calculating something about range, though maybe it was to simply discern a 'taller' object from the ground around it.

Edited August 5, 2011 by Frostiken

[Snoopy]

Should I ask const to change your title to "traitor"? :D

 

I know I know....I got hell for it all the time back then

 

It's okay Paul, I'll always love you :D

 

Don't expect a hug until you roll around in some soak-up pads though.

 

LOL....ABUs are NOT maintenance friendly at all...at least BDU's hid the dirt better!

[159th_Viper]

....most likely firing from half a mile in the air....

 

Mistake #1.

 

How can you say that the BLU's are at 2400 feet AGL?

 

 

(one of which can be seen releasing four more skeets).....

 

Mistake #2.

 

You cannot see the skeets being released in the screenshot. Even if you could, time of release from BLU dispenser is not indicative of time of firing of the penetrator. Due to gravity, this happens later and as such the altitude of the dispensers and debris in the screenshot is irrelevant for the purposes of determining when the explosive penetrators were fired.

 

 

And yeah - this is just a friendly debate - no need at all to get personal ;)

 

 

:)

Edited August 5, 2011 by 159th_Viper
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[EtherealN]

Thanks, that's good enough. I only brought it up because I remember reading something about the skeet having a laser on it and calculating something about range, though maybe it was to simply discern a 'taller' object from the ground around it.

 

Yeah, I've seen similar things, but the "quality" of the sources are roughly on the level of wikipedia and conflicts with other things I've heard. (Doesn't mean they are wrong either, but there's so many things that get lost in translation when a PR dude from the manufacturer is talking to a journo.) Could go either way I suppose, but my understanding is that they basically do their dispersal sequence on HOF, scan for a target, and when they see it they try to kill it.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if there's additional magic going on though, there always is, but it sort of becomes like asking me to comment on the comparative stealthiness of different stealth coatings... :P

[sobek]

LOL, the next time anybody ever again starts sobbing around why info being taken out to the public is getting scarcer by the minute, this will be the thread to show. :)

[Mugenjin]

LOL, the next time anybody ever again starts sobbing around why info being taken out to the public is getting scarcer by the minute, this will be the thread to show. :)

 

Don't forget the bookmark then :P