BS2 trim and FFB2 broken

[Manchu]

So do we have a fix for trim, because I can not fly BS2 right now unless there is a patch or something.

[Nate--IRL--]

It has definitely not been ignored, that's all I can say.

 

Nate

[PeterP]

The only advise I can give you is to switch the FD always on - and you don't have the annoying bouncing any-more.

 

And I think one of the first places where news about a Fix will be posted is in this thread.

 

Just subscribe to it.

[WildBillKelsoe]

I think this is an axis map issue. If your bank is manifested in a pitch and vice versa, your axes are not setup correctly. Use the KA Real setting, all commands on options menu, and Axis assignments (blue option) in the same menu. If you trim and let go the stick, this will not happen IN CASE YOUR ASSIGNMENT IS CORRECT ON A NON FFB STICK. And you probably dont know this, but the trim sets the centerline to the new position. If you want a demonstration let me know.

[PeterP]

noc_orthodontist,

to which post are you are answering ?

[WildBillKelsoe]

the OP, Sir.

[PeterP]

Would be just a good idea to read some pages further the next time before posting.

Never mind.

[average_pilot]

Be assured it is exactly like this - I have a friend that studied aerospace engineering and I talked once to a Helicopter-pilot at the ILA in Berlin -and they both assured me that this is exactly like force-trim works.

-why should it work different?

 

About the missing "vibrations" on the FFB:

When the cyclic is linked to the rotor by hydraulics - there is a damping and you would have no (or much less) vibration on the stick as on your airframe .

When you want vibration - use a butt kicker (I do- and I will never fly without..- without everything feels so sterile... )

You feel the vibration primary with your body/butt and not only with your hand.

 

And this could be also very counter-acting when making small adjustments to the cyclic while the amplitude of the shaking is grater than your adjustment.

 

So if you want to have a vibrating stick you should link a butt-kicker (bass-shaker) to a platform on which your chair and the stick is mounted.

 

So I think -and there are many others that do think the same- (there are many postings on the same subject already) that ED made a great job with the FFB.

 

(ehm ..: until the BS2 upgrade)

Thanks for clarifications, mate. That's the kind of arguments I like to read in order to convince me :thumbup:

Still, I would like to know from helicopter pilots how they control the involuntary movement of the hand on the stick when a counter-acting force suddenly disappears. Frequent trim button tapping I guess.

 

And I'm already using DIY bass shakers. I just can't live without them. :smilewink:

 

Despite feeling somewhat cheated after finding that my little Black Shark has been left aside unfinished, I know that sooner or later I'll be buying BS2 as the good average consumer I am. I hope they found that bug as soon as possible.

[PeterP]

I hope this is directed to the incoming Patch 1.1.1.1 for DCS: Black Shark 2

Because I never had a issue in the A-10 with trim...

From the change-log:

Patch 1.1.1.1 for DCS: A-10C Warthog (English)

 

PATCH 1.1.1.1

 

AIRCRAFTS AND WEAPONS

• Trim with force feedback joysticks has been fixed.
  

 

 

Edit:

Wags: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=82956

This patch apply to English versions only.

 

The Black Shark 1.1.1.1 patch will be released later in the week.

 

...

 

Black Shark 2 Specific 1.1.1.1 Patch Changes

 

AIRCRAFT AND WEAPONS

•Landing gear door animation for Ka-50 is fixed.

•Trim with force feedback joysticks has been fixed.

•NVG effects re-done.

•Turning down Shkval contrast, produced Negative light in cockpit, making HUD completely dark at night, effect of this problem has been reduced.

...

Yahoo! Edited December 15, 2011 by PeterP

[nen]

Yep, issue fixed. Good job guys! :thumbup:

[Nobody96]

Thanks guys, its working like a charm :)

 

so long

Mathias

[astrospud]

Yup, can confirm. That's the old girl I remember!

Good job ED. :D

[fangav]

Can i ask what ffb sticks you guys are using that have been fixed? I have the G940 and it is still bucking around (only in BS2, BS1 and A10c are fine) . I might have a setting set wrong i guess but I can't find it, I don't remember changing any thing in the lua files for BS2 either.

Any help, suggestions will be much appreciated.

 

Cheers , Fang.

[astrospud]

My trimmer/stability issues were non-ffb related (have X52Pro), so I'm afraid I can't help.

All I can say is that I have the same stability I had before in BS1.

I did notice in the Misc. page of Options, "Enable Force Feedback" was checked by default.

Maybe this is unchecked on your install?

[PeterP]

(only in BS2, BS1 and A10c are fine)

 

As you are saying - everything is fine now in DCS -

So I didn't really get what you want and I fear this isn't the right thread/forum to help you.

 

Everything that was wrong with the trim was fixed in 1.1.1.1 for me - I use a MS-FFB2.

[fangav]

As you are saying - everything is fine now in DCS -

So I didn't really get what you want and I fear this isn't the right thread/forum to help you.

 

Everything that was wrong with the trim was fixed in 1.1.1.1 for me - I use a MS-FFB2.

 

Black shark 2, trim not working properly with a g940 ffb stick.

 

Since the latest patch 1.1.1.1 the stick still moves after the trim release.

 

I thought the stick should stay in the same position when the trim button is released to simulate a real control stick.

 

I hope someone with a g940 could confirm they are having the same problem's as me or that their g940 is working correctly and it is something I have set wrong at my end.

 

Sorry if my previous post wasn't clear.

[PeterP]

No problem - I tough this is a enumeration:

only in BS2, BS1 and A10c are fine

Please check again your "Misc." settings in BS2.

set FFB to ON - and uncheck "central position trimmer mode".

If this dosn't help you have to wait/ask a g940 user how they have set up the stick in the "Game controller settings" of windows.

 

 

Edit:

Maybe this thread/post will help to find the culprit :

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1324738#post1324738

I've never had a problem with the G940 and BS/BS2: in Logi I have Centering spring unchecked and all forces at 70%. In the Logi axis settings everything is at default (sensitivity 50). In DCS, no curves, no changes. The stick will hold all trims perfectly with FD ON. With the AP on, there are situations where I must pull slightly past desired pressure when trimming. Auto Hover holds nicely, even while pushing stick buttons and hats. Honestly, there is nothing about the stick I would change and I think ED have implemented it nicely.

Edited December 23, 2011 by PeterP

[Nobody96]

Make sure that in the DCS options, under Axis Commands, using the button FF Tune, you have set the shaker value to 0.

 

so long

Mathias

[sjpateys]

Exactly. Same for me

 

and me. I was in level flight (trimmed) all controls centred. press trim button, nose pitches up. This should not happen as you are not altering trim, if trimmed already.

[Nate--IRL--]

Old thread and a long fixed issue - what version are you using?

 

Nate

[Terrorvogel]

Black shark 2, trim not working properly with a g940 ffb stick.

 

Since the latest patch 1.1.1.1 the stick still moves after the trim release.

 

I thought the stick should stay in the same position when the trim button is released to simulate a real control stick.

 

I hope someone with a g940 could confirm they are having the same problem's as me or that their g940 is working correctly and it is something I have set wrong at my end.

 

Sorry if my previous post wasn't clear.

 

I´m having exact the same issue running DCS WORLD 1.2.0 with my G940 and can confirm.

 

I already disabled the "Enable Centre Spring in Forcefeeedback Games" in Logitech Profiler and in DCS Black Shark Joystick Profile i have set FFB-Shaking to 0.

 

Like P1KW in this thread http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=81144

i´m wondering too, why the trim in A-10C works without problems. In A-10 it is possible to trim in very fine "steps" with FFB. This is really great!

So the issue must be only in DCS Black Shark part somehow!

 

BlackShark does not get the right position of G940 so trim is onfortunately absolutely not usable with this Logitech. There are no steps. If pressing the trim button, the joystick moves full forward with one big hit, for example, instead of holding the preffered position. Same happens to all sides.

I already played arround with axes and FFB sensitivity and strenght. Changes nothing.

 

I will be very happy of every hint to solve this to get more immersion to the sim...

 

Regards

Terrorvogel

[fangav]

My problem was I tried copying my profile over from previous patch, after remapping the keys in game all was good.

[Terrorvogel]

My problem was I tried copying my profile over from previous patch, after remapping the keys in game all was good.

 

I did a completely new install and made all joystick settings from the scratch.

Is it possible that somthing was left of old installations, which can make problems like that? I had BS1 fullversion and Upraded later to BS2 and now running DCS World.

Is there any .lua in which i can check/compare, if theres something wrong with FFB parameters?

 

In BS1 trim worked as it should and now its horrorbly to fly.

 

Regards

Terrorvogel

[Terrorvogel]

I played with curves in BlackShark joystick settings and the G940´s motor-steps were only accurate when in:

 

DCS Joystick settings:

 

Deadzone: 0

SaturationX: 100

SaturationY: 100

Curvature: 0

 

Logitech Profiler under X/Y Axes:

 

Sensitivity: 0%

Deadzone: 0%

Range: 100%

 

But if changing curves to my needs in DCS (because i don´t want sluggish Saturation at 100 only to have a working FFB-trim), there are no more "fine" motor-steps possible when hitting the trim button. It seems there are only one maybe two possible positions (motor-steps) per axis if changing curves´s saturation and/or Logitech´s sensitivity!!!

 

There must be an issue especially in Black Shark Module itself in combination with Logitech G940 because in A10 module trim is working absolutely fluid in fine steps.

So whats the problem here???

 

Is every G940 user happy with the trim? Has someone of the G940 owners changed the joystick-curves and no issues with that in combination with FFB-trim?

 

Regards

Terrorvogel

[doveman]

I'm having trouble with Trim in DCSW/BS2 as well.

 

If I try and use the Trim in the correct manner (adjust, quickly click trim and release and release stick to center) the autopilot majorly oversteers, so that if I'd got it lined up straight, it banks left or right and if I was intending to bank, it overbanks and if I was pitching up or down, it goes much further than I wanted. I'm releasing the stick to center as quickly as humanly possible. The only way I've found to avoid this problem is to use the incorrect procedure of holding trim, adjusting pitch/bank, then releasing trim but this comes with it's own problems (i.e. disengaging all AP Channels, making the helo very sensitive and thus hard to make the required adjustments).

 

I made a track showing the problem. For the first half I tried the "correct" trim method of adjusting, then clicking trim and releasing to centre which always seems to result in it overshooting quite considerably where I was aiming for, then just as I was approaching the water I switched to hold trim, adjust, release trim, which seems to always stay at the bank/pitch I had achieved when I released trim.

 

Hopefully you can see from the in-cockpit stick that with the first method I was releasing it to centre immediately after clicking trim. http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=71371&d=1349293900