Shooting in BS2

[naz]

Hi Guys

 

I have noticed something weird which i never had in BS1. I was shooting on an enemy about 6,7 KM away with about 12 m/s wind from 089. So my Vikhr crashed into ground after about 1-2 km. I dont know why. I have attached a track of this flight.

 

Hope someone can tell me what iam doing wrong.

 

Thanks

 

Best regards

na!z

Shooting.trk

[MTFDarkEagle]

Can't look at the track right now, but was the laser on?

[naz]

Yes Laser was on.

 

I have now flew the same mission again. On my first two targets in this flight i could shoot without any problem. But the last one was unable to hit. I flew from about 7.1 km to 2 km close and shooted 10 Vikhr without any hit. I have attached a track of this second try.

Shooting 2.trk

[TAIPAN_]

Where was the lock? Did you lock the top of the vehicle or the bottom?

 

I find it has less chance of hitting the ground if I lock the top.

 

Also always use the smallest lock window it works best.

[naz]

I used the smallest lock window, also i locked it in the middle of the enemy. Well the vikhr just not hitted the ground for near the target. It just flew 2-3 km and than crashed into ground. Its hard to describe. Best would be you look into the tracks.

[MTFDarkEagle]

You mean like a parbolic trajectory after it leaves the rail right?

[159th_Viper]

I think it's the wind. Cannot see how that 12m/s as those smokestacks are hugging the ground - almost like a hurricane that is :D

 

In any event, I'll tinker a wee bit later if and see what I can come up with if no-one else solves the issue in the interim.

[naz]

You mean like a parbolic trajectory after it leaves the rail right?

 

Yeah i think that this could descripe what happened.

 

I think it's the wind. Cannot see how that 12m/s as those smokestacks are hugging the ground - almost like a hurricane that is :D

 

In any event, I'll tinker a wee bit later if and see what I can come up with if no-one else solves the issue in the interim.

 

In the second track i have uploaded i have shoot 2 targets before and this fault hasn´t occured. Only on my last target i was not able to hit it. The vikhr flew 1-2 seconds and then, well, i think it lost its target or something like that and changed the course straight into the ground.

 

I think that this is the third or fourth mission on the new campaign "operation medvedev II".

 

12 m/s windspeed are 43,2 km/h.

[159th_Viper]

Ok - had a wee look:

 

Your wind-speed in that cyclone was according to your instruments 93km/h:

 

 

As a consequence, when you lined up for your Vihkr-launch, your entire aircraft was offset from the target by a large-enough margin to ensure that the Vikhr, when launched, will never be able to intercept the laser-cube/grid being projected. The sensors on the Vikhr tail accordingly picked up no energy after launch and the missile went stupid/ballistic.

 

 

As you can see from the pic, your nose is offset low and to the right of the intended target.

 

I took control immediately after the Vikhr near-impact to the building in your track, toggled auto-hover off and set the weapon control switch to manual due to the wind. Then lined up the nose of the Helo with the target and launched:

 

 

Note how the sensors on the nose of the copter align with the target. Impact:

 

 

Herewith also attached find your track. As said, I took control after your first launch, compensated as above and destroyed target.

 

Wind Vikhr.trk

 

That seems to be the only issue - hope that helps.

[naz]

Hi Viper

 

Thanks for the info. I will try it this way.

[naz]

Ok have tried this with manual launch and putting nose and target in one line. The first Vikhr i shooted also missed but auf putting the helo a bit more to the right i was able to hit.

So thank you very much Viper, i have learned a lot :-)

[Bucic]

Ok - had a wee look:

 

Your wind-speed in that cyclone was according to your instruments 93km/h:

 

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Wow, interesting!

[jib]

I had this happen to lots of my vhikrs the other day, maybe it was windy, I also had more luck when I switched to manual release mode.

[cltmmm]

So I reread the manual and have successfully used Vikhrs in Manual mode on some longer range shots... However, I really do not know what I am giving up or doing when I switch to Manual. I make sure everything is lined up as best as possible and use the nose-sensors-on-target approach that is mentioned above. I usually launch the Vikhr then switch immediately back to Auto as it rides the beam down. I also compensate for some variables, e.g. if a bit out of range, I will climb a few hundred meters in alt.

 

But in reality, what all do you have to compensate for? Can someone explain it in detail? To this point I chalk it all up as luck.

 

Thanks

[159th_Viper]

But in reality, what all do you have to compensate for? Can someone explain it in detail? To this point I chalk it all up as luck.

 

Are you referring to the compensation when switching to manual?

 

If so, it's basically just to get your nose/laser grid cube on target. The WCS cannot adequately compensate for the strong winds - as a consequence any launch of a Vikhr will miss the grid completely and go stupid.

 

That is all you compensate for - you ensure the Vikhr pod and the laser grid are aligned/pointing to the target - nothing more.

[cltmmm]

Thanks... Should have just hit this button under the seat in the BS.

 

 

[wess24m]

Doesn't seem to be the case here, but if your AA targeting button in on the missile explodes before it hit the target, kinda a area blast effect for airborn targets. For some reason my AA button randomly decides to turn on and waste my vihkers.

[Speed]

Doesn't seem to be the case here, but if your AA targeting button in on the missile explodes before it hit the target, kinda a area blast effect for airborn targets. For some reason my AA button randomly decides to turn on and waste my vihkers.

 

Sounds like a HOTAS issue of some sort. You're accidentally hitting "v" somehow.

[spikenet]

I've noticed in BS2 that I get the "C" permission to fire cannon and rockets even when target is way off centre. I have it in Auto and in BS1 I only got the "C" when the targeting computer allowed me.

This results in me looking in shkval thinking I have satisfied launch parameters and fire, only to see the rocket head down to the ground

Seems weird behavior to me.

[Luigi Gorgonzola]

I've noticed in BS2 that I get the "C" permission to fire cannon and rockets even when target is way off centre. I have it in Auto and in BS1 I only got the "C" when the targeting computer allowed me.

This results in me looking in shkval thinking I have satisfied launch parameters and fire, only to see the rocket head down to the ground

Seems weird behavior to me.

 

Similar here - Cannon and Rockets, Missiles do just fine.

 

I simply ignored it (i.e. didn't fire) as the clearance was given under obviously incorrect(inappropriate conditions.

[Kunter7]

Ok - had a wee look:

 

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As you can see from the pic, your nose is offset low and to the right of the intended target.

 

I took control immediately after the Vikhr near-impact to the building in your track, toggled auto-hover off and set the weapon control switch to manual due to the wind. Then lined up the nose of the Helo with the target and launched:

 

 

 

Note how the sensors on the nose of the copter align with the target. Impact:

 

 

 

Herewith also attached find your track. As said, I took control after your first launch, compensated as above and destroyed target.

 

 

That seems to be the only issue - hope that helps.

 

Hi guys

Enjoying the conversation and learning a lot, but I do have to ask one slightly off-topic question: Is it possible to take control of the AC (like mentioned above) while watching a track? Even someone else's track?

How does one go about doing that? ?????

[Jona33]

When watching track press Escape and then click control. Done. This works for any track and has done since LockOn.

[Kunter7]

When watching track press Escape and then click control. Done. This works for any track and has done since LockOn.

 

Wow! That's very cool! Thanks for the heads up!!

 

Geez, I wonder what else I don't know about this awesome sim! :thumbup: