topol-m Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 I'm curious about some numbers guys, could tell me at what max distance you can detect a tank-sized target daytime and nighttime using the targeting pod? Also if you have noted in the game, what's the difference in distance between "I see there is something there", "I can tell it is a vehicle" and "I can definitely tell it is an Abrams". Lastly do you have some data on how these 3 systems differ in detection range IRL? One more thing, what part of the A-10C in service use Sniper XR and what part of them use Litening pod? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
59th_LeFty Posted November 18, 2011 Posted November 18, 2011 Here's your public information :) Litening: http://www.zeiss.de/C1257088004A3F3C/EmbedTitelIntern/reccelite_53_1430_e/$File/53_1430_e.pdf Source: http://www.zeiss.com/optronics [sIGPIC]http://www.forum.lockon.ru/signaturepics/sigpic5279_1.gif[/sIGPIC] I could shot down a Kitchen :smartass:
topol-m Posted November 18, 2011 Author Posted November 18, 2011 Thanks, anyone else finding those 10 and 6 km range of identification too short? I don't own DCS A-10C yet but from what I've seen in the videos the distance of identification in the game is way bigger. These numbers make you think how effective the real A-10C would be against short range SAMs if there is no preliminary reconnaissance info and it has to find the targets, identify and attack them on its own. What about the other pod and Arrowhead? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
topol-m Posted November 18, 2011 Author Posted November 18, 2011 There is an picture of a Sniper pod showhing a bridge from 86 miles (IIRC). You can see the cars on the bridge pretty clear. wow so it must be much more powerful than Litening. Any data of USAF fielding Sniper XR in larger numbers? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Eddie Posted November 18, 2011 Posted November 18, 2011 wow so it must be much more powerful than Litening. Any data of USAF fielding Sniper XR in larger numbers? Sniper XR has a higher video resolution, but other than that LITENING is just as good optically and they can both see as far, but of course the higher resolution of Sniper XR will make it easier to spot things at large distances. Sniper XR is marginally better than LITENING in some areas, but not so much so that it makes LITENING obsolete. There is a reason some countries choose LITENING over Sniper XR. We used Sniper XR on the Harrier GR7/9 in Afghanistan, but Tornado GR4 and Typhoon FGR4 use LITENING III.
topol-m Posted November 18, 2011 Author Posted November 18, 2011 Still that file 59th_LeFty posted is talking about 30 km (Litening) while Groove mentioned 86 miles (Sniper XR), seems quite a huge difference. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
59th_LeFty Posted November 18, 2011 Posted November 18, 2011 The difference IMO is not really in the device. Of course, bigger resolution is better. Simple as it is. The problems are more often coming from the weather, or dust. Just think of, in Afghanistan, they're up around 2000-3000 AMSL and above. In a theater near sea you have much less visibility. Especially if mixed with dust. Just an example in my hometown, there is fog now for around a week or more, and just more to come :) Your pod is simply useless at 30km or more. [sIGPIC]http://www.forum.lockon.ru/signaturepics/sigpic5279_1.gif[/sIGPIC] I could shot down a Kitchen :smartass:
topol-m Posted November 19, 2011 Author Posted November 19, 2011 Just stumbled on this in the Screenshots thread: 64.8 miles?!! I'm either missing out something here or we are talking about some new telescope tested on A-10C if it gets such an image at this distance :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
EtherealN Posted November 19, 2011 Posted November 19, 2011 That range reference cannot be at that pilot. ;) (TGP still in wide. Laser off so range source is slant and DTS, meaning it's giving you the range to the ground behind the cockpit.) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
159th_Viper Posted November 19, 2011 Posted November 19, 2011 Pop-quiz: Guess the targets and distance to target - :D Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
joey45 Posted November 19, 2011 Posted November 19, 2011 At a guess Left - T80 Right - Some sort of Radar Range - 78Km The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
159th_Viper Posted November 19, 2011 Posted November 19, 2011 At a guess Left - T80 Right - Some sort of Radar Range - 78Km :thumbup: T-80/EWR at 77km. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
joey45 Posted November 19, 2011 Posted November 19, 2011 (edited) Where's my cookie.:smartass: I was gonna say an EWR but played it safe and 77 is close enough for me. Edited November 19, 2011 by joey45 1 The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
Pilotasso Posted November 19, 2011 Posted November 19, 2011 The Sniper has superior range although the litening is better in other areas. They didnt specify what were those. .
topol-m Posted November 19, 2011 Author Posted November 19, 2011 :thumbup: T-80/EWR at 77km. Quite a distance, that pretty much is answering my question on in-game detection distance. What about those numbers Lefty posted and the difference between those 30 and these 77 km? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
159th_Viper Posted November 19, 2011 Posted November 19, 2011 What about those numbers Lefty posted and the difference between those 30 and these 77 km? Specific version of the Pod/Software suite modelled I would have thought. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
topol-m Posted November 19, 2011 Author Posted November 19, 2011 Specific version of the Pod/Software suite modelled I would have thought. You're right, probably that's the case. Any available info info on Litening versions? Litening, II, III? And the TADS and Arrowhead? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ED Team Groove Posted November 25, 2011 ED Team Posted November 25, 2011 I have found the picture on my HD. 86 Miles was wrong, actually its "just" 58 nm. PLUS its from RAPTOR. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
ED Team Groove Posted November 25, 2011 ED Team Posted November 25, 2011 As for Apache optics. I know for a fact that they can read your name from a patch on your chest from 2 Km away. That videos you can see on youtube etc. are not the real deal :) Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
Eddie Posted November 25, 2011 Posted November 25, 2011 I have found the picture on my HD. 86 Miles was wrong, actually its "just" 58 nm. PLUS its from RAPTOR. And RAPTOR isn't a targeting pod.
ED Team Groove Posted November 25, 2011 ED Team Posted November 25, 2011 And RAPTOR isn't a targeting pod. Well, there is one: http://www.spyflight.co.uk/RAPTOR.htm ^^ Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
Eddie Posted November 25, 2011 Posted November 25, 2011 (edited) Nope. It's not a targeting pod, it's a recon pod. The clue is in the name, Reconnaissance Airborne Pod for TORnado. Tornado, just like Typhoon uses LITENING III as its LDP Edited November 25, 2011 by Eddie
ED Team Groove Posted November 25, 2011 ED Team Posted November 25, 2011 Yup, my posting was more a "funny" one. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
topol-m Posted November 25, 2011 Author Posted November 25, 2011 I have found the picture on my HD. 86 Miles was wrong, actually its "just" 58 nm. PLUS its from RAPTOR. 58 nm, still far enough. What pod did the Raptor use when taking that picture? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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