Air-to-Air Tactics Tutorial Tracks/Videos

[SniperRu]

Hi all,

 

For some reason, I cannot beat the AI in Air-to-Air, I fly mostly the Russian jets. I've looked around for videos and tracks explaining different tactics but couldn't find any for FC2.

 

I want to learn things like :

-Notch/Beaming (both how to best execute it and how to deal with an opponent using it)

-1v1 / 2v2 / XvX scenarios when fighting against western jets

-Proper use of SARH missiles (for some reason I can't get any on target)

-Proper missile dodging (especially ARHs like the AMRAAM)

 

anyone can help?

[Bearitall]

Hi all,

 

For some reason, I cannot beat the AI in Air-to-Air, I fly mostly the Russian jets. I've looked around for videos and tracks explaining different tactics but couldn't find any for FC2.

 

I want to learn things like :

-Notch/Beaming (both how to best execute it and how to deal with an opponent using it)

-1v1 / 2v2 / XvX scenarios when fighting against western jets

-Proper use of SARH missiles (for some reason I can't get any on target)

-Proper missile dodging (especially ARHs like the AMRAAM)

 

anyone can help?

 

 

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=FC2+Dogfight+video&docid=1502760535240&mid=339C0BC5DDA236782952339C0BC5DDA236782952&FORM=VIRE4#

[blackbelter]

Look for the book Art of the Kill. This book is very concise and straight to the point, down to the ground, too. It is very helpful to me. It has information on 1 vs 1 only, unfortunately.

 

I also tried to read the famous Fighter Combat: Tactics and Maneuvering, which is said by some to be the Bible. But this book gives too much unnecessary (at least to me) information that I couldn't finish it.

[SniperRu]

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=FC2+Dogfight+video&docid=1502760535240&mid=339C0BC5DDA236782952339C0BC5DDA236782952&FORM=VIRE4#

 

Next time use this: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=FC2+Dogfight+Video

 

Also I meant BVR fights with Missiles, I though it was obvious. Dogfights I can handle.

[JimMack]

Try and look at the videos in http://flankertraining.com/ironhand/index.html

There may be something that includes your needs.

[cichlidfan]

Look for the book Art of the Kill. This book is very concise and straight to the point, down to the ground, too. It is very helpful to me. It has information on 1 vs 1 only, unfortunately.

 

 

Amazon should have it used for around $10 plus shipping.

[Bearitall]

Next time use this: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=FC2+Dogfight+Video

 

Also I meant BVR fights with Missiles, I though it was obvious. Dogfights I can handle.

 

 

LOL whatever...:lol:

[SniperRu]

Try and look at the videos in http://flankertraining.com/ironhand/index.html

There may be something that includes your needs.

 

Thank you, that helped.

 

However I am still at loss on what to do with SARH missiles, especially against the AI, it seems to have a 100% success rate in breaking my lock and making my missiles useless. So any range advantage that the R-27ER gives is completely negated by that. It makes playing the missions/campaigns very frustrating.

 

Can anyone offer advice in this subject?

[Drona]

Are you just firing one R-27ER when Rmax is reached? If that's the case then the AI will defeat the missile easily using countermeasures.... Fire multiple SARH missiles while notching and closing in on the bandit.

[GGTharos]

You can't notch -and- guide your missile, not in this plane, anyway.

 

Just make sure you're putting the bandit on your radar gimbals after you launch, that gives you more range. Try to be at a smaller altitude than the bandit after the launch, that way they can't break the lock as easy.

 

Are you just firing one R-27ER when Rmax is reached? If that's the case then the AI will defeat the missile easily using countermeasures.... Fire multiple SARH missiles while notching and closing in on the bandit.

[Drona]

You can't notch -and- guide your missile, not in this plane, anyway.

 

Exactly...;) we need a better radar on Russian planes with greater gimbal limits.

[Presing]

Best way to fight western jets (active missile's mostly) is to do little bit of flying of western jets by yourself. In that way you will know what is his advantages and dis-advantages and you will know how to use it against them.

[GGTharos]

Instead, you get the radar you're supposed to have. :)

 

Exactly...;) we need a better radar on Russian planes with greater gimbal limits.

[Bruce_D]

Hi,

I don´t know why everybody keeps complainting about the su-27 radar and missiles. You just need to use a different tactic from the F-15C.

 

After firing your missile you have to maintain your altitude at least 2,000 meters lower than your enemy, slow down your speed and maintain the income fighter at least 30º from your plane Look at the RWR to sustain this angle.

 

Ok, when the enemy figther starts to maneuver to flee from your missile just press Rshift + I. This will change the radar pulse repeat frequency and will keep your radar lock even if the enemy turns 180º from you.

 

I like to use too different tactics in a BVR encounter against a plane with the aim-120. You can use the Ironhand training (go to flankertraining.com) firing two missiles (which is the safer one). Or you can use a one shoot one kill tactic in a kamikaze way which works fine (every 10 times that I use this 8 times works fine, the other 2 I went into a CAC). This tactic will not work against the Aim-120C, because the enemy missile will reaches you before your missile reaches him.

 

If somebody wants I can send a video with the one shoot one kill tactic using R-27ER, but I prefer the Ironhand’s training. You can use the Ironhand’s tactics with one shoot one kill.

[Frostie]

The fact is, in FC2 an F-15 can turn cold before your R-27ER can even get close because the AIM-120 in FC2 has a vey high chance of finding you for itself thanks to some uber seeker modeling.

 

The only way to be consistently successful with Su-27's is by either getting a long range kill with ER (very unlikely unless you're facing a Rambo F-15 pilot) or through keeping the F-15 constantly defensive and reduce his SA so you can get close enough for an ET kill or merge, this will involve lots of trashing AIM-120's and a bit of luck.

 

Against the AI is another matter, he will only fire one missile at a time and goes defensive very easily, just use your longer range to upset him and keep pressing, remember to change your aspect and keep cranking to reduce closure of his loose AMRAAM.

[jermin]

I'm looking for the same kind of tracks, too. I remember a squadron called Black 169th Panthers has posted a lot of online A2A tracks in their squad forum back in around 2008, which was very helpful for beginners like me in my opinion.

 

But it seems that their forum has been down for a few years. Or maybe the whole squadron has already been disbanded.

 

I've been searching for tutorial tracks in the websites/forums of current major LO squadrons. But few of them seem to regularly post online tracks, though it might be that they were all waiting for FC3 or playing DCS, and hence stopped flying FC2.

 

I really hope you veteran pilots can do us new comers a favor by uploading your online combat tracks after FC3 comes out.

 

I am an IL2 player with over 8 years's online experience. But the mods have ruined its online community so much that I can hardly find a decent server to play in nowadays. And in my opinion, there are no WW2 sims in the market which can rival IL2 at the moment. So I've made the decision to move to jet combat sims.

[GGTharos]

You can do a search on this forum for 'bvr tactics', I'm sure you'll come up with something.

[Moa]

I'm looking for the same kind of tracks, too. I remember a squadron called Black 169th Panthers has posted a lot of online A2A tracks in their squad forum back in around 2008, which was very helpful for beginners like me in my opinion.

 

But it seems that their forum has been down for a few years. Or maybe the whole squadron has already been disbanded.

 

Yes, disbanded (disclaimer, I'm an ex 169th Panther from 2008). Many ex-Panthers are now in the 104th Phoenix squadron ("Phoenix, re-born from the ashes", get it :))

[Bruce_D]

Hi,

I’m sending these 5 tracks for FC2. The track named “Treino” is the use of Ironhand’s tactic.

 

 

I have 2 tracks for FC1 of one shoot one kill against a fighter using ECM killing him without he shoots or 1 sec after he shoots. This tactic was funny because sometimes instead of hit your enemy your missiles hit’s the enemy’s AIM-120! :) I haven’t try it on FC2, maybe later I’ll try.

 

 

This tactics that I’m sending will work against ECM, I haven’t made a track but I now that works.

 

 

The problem of this tactic is that when you do not use it correctly it will give you a disadvantage against your opponent. That is why I prefer the Ironhand’s tactic. But it will always depend on the situation.

R-27ER Vs AIM-120B.trk

R-27ER.trk

R-27R Vs AIM-120B.trk

R-27R.trk

Treino.trk

[voodooman]

Hi all,

 

For some reason, I cannot beat the AI in Air-to-Air, I fly mostly the Russian jets. I've looked around for videos and tracks explaining different tactics but couldn't find any for FC2.

 

I want to learn things like :

-Notch/Beaming (both how to best execute it and how to deal with an opponent using it)

-1v1 / 2v2 / XvX scenarios when fighting against western jets

-Proper use of SARH missiles (for some reason I can't get any on target)

-Proper missile dodging (especially ARHs like the AMRAAM)

 

anyone can help?

 

Here you go! a collection of ebooks and videos that i have been using to study this fine art, put all together in one (head exploding) package.

 

Content:

 

Fighter Combat-Tactics and Maneuvering.pdf

How to be a good stick in lomac.pdf

How_to_Live_and_Die_in_the_Virtual_Sky_V0.2.pdf

BFM 101 - Understanding Corner Speed-Ironhand.avi

Surviving the Duel-Ironhand.avi

F-15C Radar STT & Flood Modes-Ironhand.avi

F-15C_Radar Intro_&_LRS_Mode-Ironhand.avi

F-15C_Radar-TWS_Mode-Ironhand.avi

Art of the kill.flv (tutorial video from falcon 3 gold dvd, very good and easy to understand!)

 

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7284879

 

if you haven't got a torrent soft or dont approve or cant get into piratebay, here are links to all above:

 

Art of the kill in youtube:

 

How to live and die in virtual sky browser version:

http://ebookbrowse.com/how-to-live-and-die-in-the-virtual-sky-v0-2-pdf-d99027117

 

Fighter Combat-Tactics and Maneuvering browser version:

http://ebookbrowse.com/fighter-combat-tactics-and-maneuvering-pdf-d53466598

 

How to be a good stick in lomac browser version:

http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_097a.html

 

ironhands videos:

http://flankertraining.com/lomac/

Edited May 20, 2012 by voodooman

[SESova]

Hi,

I’m sending these 5 tracks for FC2. The track named “Treino” is the use of Ironhand’s tactic.

 

 

I have 2 tracks for FC1 of one shoot one kill against a fighter using ECM killing him without he shoots or 1 sec after he shoots. This tactic was funny because sometimes instead of hit your enemy your missiles hit’s the enemy’s AIM-120! :) I haven’t try it on FC2, maybe later I’ll try.

 

 

This tactics that I’m sending will work against ECM, I haven’t made a track but I now that works.

 

 

The problem of this tactic is that when you do not use it correctly it will give you a disadvantage against your opponent. That is why I prefer the Ironhand’s tactic. But it will always depend on the situation.

 

To understand this tracks,i sugest to start the track and turn on tacwiev program in background.Afther watching tacwiev klip,you will understand what is all abouth.If you dont have it,dowload it,it is free.But dont forget to turn it off afther,becouse you wont bee able to enter on the servers.Other way you wont understand this tracks..Pay attention when red side plane making 90 angle with incoming aim 120B.That is the most important part.

[Bruce_D]

To understand this tracks,i sugest to start the track and turn on tacwiev program in background.Afther watching tacwiev klip,you will understand what is all abouth.If you dont have it,dowload it,it is free.But dont forget to turn it off afther,becouse you wont bee able to enter on the servers.Other way you wont understand this tracks..Pay attention when red side plane making 90 angle with incoming aim 120B.That is the most important part.

 

Exactly! I forgot that!

In the 90’s I read an interview of the squadron leader of the Brazilian air defense squadron about an exercise between Brazil and French air force.

At that time Brazil was flying the Mirage III for air defense and France came with the Mirage 2000C armed with Super 550. France was trying to sell the Mirage 2000 to Brazil.

The commander of the Brazilian squadron said that he was going to be used as targets for their missiles, so he started to training a tactic developed by the British named “Beam” (I don’t know if this is the correct spelling of the maneuver) to fight the Serbian Mig-29 with Harriers.

In the exercise the result became equal to favorable to the Brazilian pilots, given a lot concerns and “little fights” between the French pilots. They knew that the Mirage 2000 was 1,000 times better than the Mirage III and that they had a superior training than the Brazilian (an air force with more financial resources has more training sections and are superiors, this is a fact).

This tactic works because the psychological effect on the enemy that does not expect this. Against the AI it has less effect because the computer doesn’t get pissed off if he loses the radar contact, but this affects a human being.

I manage a lot of victories using IR missiles against F-15C with aim-120 in a multiplayer game with friends using the “Beam”. My brother, who was playing against me, was pissed off because he couldn’t fire on me and I used the R-27ET or R-73 to destroy his plane.

But when a person discovers what you are doing the maneuver lost more then a half of its effects. But it’s good against ARH missiles.

Of course I’ll not tell how to prevent the maneuver!!!! :smilewink:

[GGTharos]

All he has to do is pull lag and you'll pop right out ... helps to go MPRF on the radar as well.

 

And if you're fighting two aircraft, you'll only be able to notch one of them if they're doing it right.

[Cali]

Might of been a noob also.

[Azrayen]

Ok, when the enemy figther starts to maneuver to flee from your missile just press Rshift + I. This will change the radar pulse repeat frequency and will keep your radar lock even if the enemy turns 180º from you.

AFAIK, the PRF setting is only for the SCAN/TWS. When locked on a target, no use (except that it may help to find again the bandit if your lock breaks)