I would pay my money for:

[Kuky]

Hey, Nevada will be new terrain and new terrain engine. If I'm assuming this correct what GG is hinting is that Edge terrain engine which is in the works might actually be coded to run on separate core/thread?

[GGTharos]

I'll explain what I mean then:

 

ED has been marching forward with developments in FM, aircraft, ME capability, sound engine, update to graphics engine to name a few, and that's stuff you've seen. I won't enumerate everything, there's more in there.

 

Because none of this is your pet peeves, you see stagnation, at the same time ignoring things that have been announced:

 

The Nevada terrain which should also bring EDGE with it, more ME development, more FM development, more development of stuff we can't tell you about, either.

 

So yeah - your pet peeves are blinding you to reality, or more bluntly said, just because the things you want to see done haven't been done yet, you claim there's stagnation. That's incorrect - there is no stagnation, stuff just doesn't have to follow your schedule or address your pet peeves.

 

Not really sure what you mean by this - I have seen multiple comments re stagnation. The same scenery for how long? In fact I'm not even sure...How long have we been using this map and texturing? I understand that it was expanded slightly, but ultimately how long have we been flying the same bit of Georgian coast?

[Conure]

Given your general feel, you mean.

 

Why don't you leave the running of the ED/TFC business to ED/TFC. They seem to be doing all-right to date. Oh wait, I said that at the beginning of this conversation, did I not......Go figure!

 

 

I doubt that you have any clue how they're doing financially (again, on the commercial side of things) other than the fact they're still solvent (unless they produce quarterly reports to internet forum moderators:lol:) - I would judge given the projections for projects that they would previously give (Nevada at release ring any bells?) and their utter inability to meet such projections and, additionally, requirements of modern technology, that they either can't afford man power, or can't effectively project manage.

 

And yes you did say it at the beginning of the conversation, and all facts would point to the fact you're most likely still wrong! In fact I'd go so far as to have that using the data available, to presume ED are doing all-right would be the best you could derive from it. Unless of course you think a lack of material and slowly released minor upgrades (cockpit shadows in BS?) are the sign of a high powered, dedicated and effective commercial studio.

 

I expect given how niche this title is, their military side is propping up the commercial side.

 

Not producing effective deadlines, much less being able to work to deadlines is not good business practice. When effective competition comes out (and I sincerely hope it does), ED will have to start making and keeping promises to customers. I wonder if they're up to it?

[Speed]

Not really sure what you mean by this - I have seen multiple comments re stagnation. The same scenery for how long? In fact I'm not even sure...How long have we been using this map and texturing? I understand that it was expanded slightly, but ultimately how long have we been flying the same bit of Georgian coast?

 

You're right. The game is stagnant. ED isn't developing any new aircraft, any new maps, any new gameplay elements, they haven't updated the .exe to include 64 bit support, and they have stated no intention or progress in moving towards multicore support. Also, the size of the Caucuses theater has never been extended. The mission editor has never been improved either, and there has been no progress towards moving towards more dynamic/random missions/campaigns.

[Conure]

I'll explain what I mean then:

 

ED has been marching forward with developments in FM, aircraft, ME capability, sound engine, update to graphics engine to name a few, and that's stuff you've seen. I won't enumerate everything, there's more in there.

 

Because none of this is your pet peeves, you see stagnation, at the same time ignoring things that have been announced:

 

The Nevada terrain which should also bring EDGE with it, more ME development, more FM development, more development of stuff we can't tell you about, either.

 

So yeah - your pet peeves are blinding you to reality, or more bluntly said, just because the things you want to see done haven't been done yet, you claim there's stagnation. That's incorrect - there is no stagnation, stuff just doesn't have to follow your schedule or address your pet peeves.

 

Mmm...I'm sure the majority of the community would prefer to see (let's be quite clear here) minor improvements in ME capability and the sound engine over new terrain and improvements in the general engine.

[Conure]

You're right. The game is stagnant. ED isn't developing any new aircraft, any new maps, any new gameplay elements, they haven't updated the .exe to include 64 bit support, and they have stated no intention or progress in moving towards multicore support. Also, the size of the Caucuses theater has never been extended. The mission editor has never been improved either, and there has been no progress towards moving towards more dynamic/random missions/campaigns.

 

You've stated a number of things ED has said it is going to do, and a few things which it has actually achieved. Let alone set deadlines!

 

Since when did promises = content? Not often, with ED!

[Nate--IRL--]

You've stated a number of things ED has said it is going to do, and a few things which it has actually achieved. Let alone set deadlines!

 

Since when did promises = content? Not often, with ED!

 

What promises - no promises are ever given. ever.

 

Oh and I see what you mean about stagnant - DCS warthog still looks like it's from 2003

 

 

Nate

[Conure]

What promises - no promises are ever given. ever.

 

Oh and I see what you mean about stagnant - DCS warthog still looks like it's from 2003

 

 

Nate

 

Is that how it looked in 2003? Then there has been even less progress than I remembered.........

[159th_Viper]

Since when did promises = content? Not often, with ED!

 

Nothing has EVER been promised. With your attitude in mind, it's no wonder. Damn, why do I have a feeling that I have been successfully trolled :doh:

[Conure]

Nothing has EVER been promised. With your attitude in mind, it's no wonder. Damn, why do I have a feeling that I have been successfully trolled :doh:

 

:megalol::megalol::megalol::megalol::megalol:

[BTTW-DratsaB]

I would judge given the projections for projects that they would previously give (Nevada at release ring any bells?) and their utter inability to meet such projections and, additionally, requirements of modern technology, that they either can't afford man power, or can't effectively project manage.

 

I follow the development of many games and posts like these do so much damage for every other quiet, patient user/fan out there. Statements like these are why we have to wait for months on end with no information because the developers are afraid to even hint at what might be coming our way. A few select people feel the need to throw their toys out of the proverbial pram every time some thing gets delayed or feature gets removed. Popularity and more people coming onto the forum is great but I always hate when the close knit, friendly atmosphere of the forum that allows the devs to candidly share things, eventually disappears :(

[Cali]

I suggest you look up what != means on wiki. ;)

 

No need to, you think that DCS is the only game out there? People move on from things after a while, that's nothing new.

[Conure]

I follow the development of many games and posts like these do so much damage for every other quiet, patient user/fan out there. Statements like these are why we have to wait for months on end with no information because the developers are afraid to even hint at what might be coming our way. A few select people feel the need to throw their toys out of the proverbial pram every time some thing gets delayed or feature gets removed. Popularity and more people coming onto the forum is great but I always hate when the close knit, friendly atmosphere of the forum that allows the devs to candidly share things, eventually disappears :(

 

I've been on these forums ages and, generally, most of my contributions have been positive :joystick:

[Nate--IRL--]

No need to, you think that DCS is the only game out there? People move on from things after a while, that's nothing new.

 

EDIT:- Disregard - getting confused as to who's said what. :)

 

Nate

[Speed]

You're right. The game is stagnant. ED isn't developing any new aircraft, any new maps, any new gameplay elements, they haven't updated the .exe to include 64 bit support, and they have stated no intention or progress in moving towards multicore support. Also, the size of the Caucuses theater has never been extended. The mission editor has never been improved either, and there has been no progress towards moving towards more dynamic/random missions/campaigns.

 

You've stated a number of things ED has said it is going to do, and a few things which it has actually achieved. Let alone set deadlines!

 

Since when did promises = content? Not often, with ED!

 

Wow, attitudes like yours is why we never get updates from ED on future releases until they are just about to release. :no_sad:

 

I stated eight things, of which, six have already been completed/worked on within the last year or two, and are present in the current version of A-10C, and the other two I already played with, in A-10C beta, but ED removed them before A-10C was officially released, and these two elements are now nearing release in a significantly improved form.

 

Basically, it would be a good idea to learn what you are talking about before you open your mouth.

Edited April 13, 2012 by Speed

[GGTharos]

I think the majority of the community voted with their wallets.

 

Mmm...I'm sure the majority of the community would prefer to see (let's be quite clear here) minor improvements in ME capability and the sound engine over new terrain and improvements in the general engine.

[Conure]

Wow, attitudes like yours is why we never get updates from ED on future releases until they are just about to release. :no_sad:

 

I stated eight things, of which, six have already been completed/worked on within the last year or two, and are present in the current version of A-10C, and the other two I already played with, in A-10C beta, but ED removed them before A-10C was officially released, and these two elements are now nearing release in a significantly improved form.

 

Basically, it would be a good idea to learn what you are talking about before you open your mouth.

 

No, non committal and inability to work to deadlines is why we never get updates!

 

If they could work to deadlines like a reasonable company, we'd get reliable updates. It's nothing to do with my attitude, though the thought that I am responsible is amusing.

[sobek]

No need to, you think that DCS is the only game out there? People move on from things after a while, that's nothing new.

 

LOL, you still don't get it. ;)

[Conure]

I think the majority of the community voted with their wallets.

 

I think they had to as a result of lack of competition ;)

[GGTharos]

I think you need to pay more attention to the real world, because you're obviously eh, not. :)

 

I think they had to as a result of lack of competition ;)

[sobek]

It's nothing to do with my attitude, though the thought that I am responsible is amusing.

 

Dear sir, may i kindly direct your attention to the brick wall you are about to drive yourself into? :)

[159th_Viper]

Martin Luther King Jr was right: There is indeed nothing in all the world that is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

[Cali]

LOL, you still don't get it. ;)

 

Guess I don't speak your language.....whatever that may be.

[sobek]

Guess I don't speak your language.....whatever that may be.

 

Ok, i'll spell it out, for 3 posts now you have been trying to make my point without noticing it, that's what's amusing. ;)

[GGTharos]

You should have looked it up ;)

 

= ... assignment, ie x = 3 does not mean 'x equals 3' it means 'I now make the value of of x to be 3'

== ... equals. x == 3, a logical question, evaluates to true or false (see the difference with the above?)

!= ... does not equal. Another logical question, evaluates to true or false

 

This comes from programming languages mostly. Colloquially, just as we do in math, we use = to represent both the = above and ==.

 

Guess I don't speak your language.....whatever that

may be.