A2A accusim Spitfire Mk 1a

[pcalvert]

I haven't flown with FSX for over a year. I even built my whole pit around A10C but I had a go with A2A's Spit and it's truly wonderful. Especially if you have ever read the book 'First light' by Geoffrey Wellam.. I used REX Overdrive for the texture sets.. works well! I'm going to get GEX and UTX for Europe soon and give it a go.... check the screen shots... very atmospheric! :)

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[cichlidfan]

Their P-47 is quite nice as well.

[Corrigan]

Such a beautiful machine.

[Daze]

It would make short work of a P-51 in a dogfight.

[smnwrx]

It would make short work of a P-51 in a dogfight.

pot stirred :music_whistling:

[blackbaron]

It would make short work of a P-51 in a dogfight.

 

lol a spitIa? :megalol:

[hitman]

Short work? No. It can run, it can dance, but it has no endurance. The only real advantage the spit has over the pony is horsepower, but even the mustang (and the P-40) got the upgraded Rolls Royce Merlin over the Allison V12. Its about an equal match until you put range into it. Then its the mustang by far and wide.

[Robo.]

The only real advantage the spit has over the pony is horsepower, but even the mustang (and the P-40) got the upgraded Rolls Royce Merlin over the Allison V12. Its about an equal match until you put range into it. Then its the mustang by far and wide.

 

More horsepower? Equal match? Merlin III Spitfire vs. P-51D? I strongly disagree. :pilotfly:

 

I agree on A2A being marvelous, got all 3 of their warbirds, love them all.

[MTFDarkEagle]

The P-51D has around 500 more HP than the MkI Merlin III powered Spitfire ;)

[pcalvert]

I quite agree - A Mk1a Spitfire would be no match for a P51D (I assume we are talking dogfighting here). A Mk 9 Spit would be more evenly matched (Same engine as the P51) :)

[MTFDarkEagle]

Packard Merlin does not equal to a RR Merlin ;)

[Daze]

Agreed a more fair match would be the Spitfire XIV and the P-51D (as fair as a slaughtering match gets) as they were both introduced around the same time. Although, would the Mk1a not still be more maneuverable? and range wouldn't play a part in a straight up dogfight, meaning the only real advantage the P-51D would have over the Mk1a Spitfire would be horsepower?

[MTFDarkEagle]

At the end even if it would be a P-51D vs a Mk1 Spit, it comes down to the pilot flying the aircraft. If they would be even matched it still would be a nice competition. The Spitfire is less than half the 51's empty weight.

[hitman]

The spitfire mk14 had over 2000hp and is 50mph faster than the mustang. The Mustand D? A whopping 1490hp with the Packard V12. The Spit mk9 had performances that were still better than the Mustang, but not by much.

[diveplane]

turn rate is the winner in a dog fight, so spit would turn around on the p51 on a dime , straightline speeds the p51 has the advantage nothing more, short wings and sleeker aero dynamic airframe, cant compare powerplants really because they are both british made, however without the british powerplant, the p51 would have not become a top fighter during ww2, allison motor just didnt have the combat needed grunt.

 

 

 

most important factor would be pilot at the controls.

but i still say spitfire was the best ww2 aircraft ever made hands down, second to the spit comes the bf109 imo. they both slammed it out over the uk back in 1940, but the spit came out on top.

 

as nice as it looks but not practical during war, was the high shine chrome finish on many of the US p51 aircrafts , enemy must have eye balled the airframes from great distance glinting in the sunlight.

Edited May 21, 2012 by diveplane

[MTFDarkEagle]

Some pictures of the upcoming P-51 Accusim ;)

 

http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29731

[skouras]

i have all the a2a with accusim products

espesially at this time the last one P40

is a gorgeous to fly

Edited May 22, 2012 by skouras

[mmaruda]

turn rate is the winner in a dog fight, so spit would turn around on the p51 on a dime

 

Many people would disagree. Speed and climb rate=win. Theoretically if a dogfight between a P-51 and a Spit Mk I would happen, the Mustang pilot would have to be a complete moron to get into a turn fight and even then he would have more energy than the Spit.

 

We tend to use stereotypical arguments served by popular history TV shows, bet here are thing to consider:

1. Turn fights are for noobs, experienced pilots, especially those who knew their plane was faster would avoid them. The official Liftwaffe handbook actually forbid engagement of enemy fighter unless with an altitude and speed advantage and advise zoom and boom tactics.

2. The late war Spitfire models were actually energy fighter more than turn fighters, and depended on speed rather than manoeuvrability, there were some clipped wing versions made to reduce air drag at the cost of manoeuvrability at slow speeds.

3. The common myth about the 109 vs Spit was that the Spit was more manoeuvrable and faster. To some extent it's true. However in terms of vertical manoeuvrability, the 109 was better and it was also better in a dive. The Spit Mk I was also crap in negative G situations as the engine would start to fart and lose power due to lack of direct duel injection.

4. In a dogfight speed is life, so with the same piloting sill level, the faster plane is the winner.

 

Last but not least, one must remember that the success of the Mustang comes from long range and mass production. It appeared late in the war where the Luftwaffe did not have enough good planes (like the D-9) to fight them effectively. If I were to name the best plane of WWII in term of performance, it would be the Ta-152H or the D-9 and the P-51 would be somewhere after the P-47 (radial engine and durability=better chances of getting home alive).

 

Obviously, the subject is highly debatable, but it's impossible to even begin to judge without providing performance charts, pilot experience ratings, engagement conditions and small details like air temperatures and fuel quality used by both sides.

 

Cheers!

[mvsgas]

:D:smartass:

 

Spit is elegant and beautiful.

P-51 is both plus I can fly it in a good sim, no falling asleep like in others

P-51 wins! Finish it!:megalol:

[pcalvert]

3. The common myth about the 109 vs Spit was that the Spit was more manoeuvrable and faster. To some extent it's true. However in terms of vertical manoeuvrability, the 109 was better and it was also better in a dive. The Spit Mk I was also crap in negative G situations as the engine would start to fart and lose power due to lack of direct duel injection.

4. In a dogfight speed is life, so with the same piloting sill level, the faster plane is the winner.

 

I agree in part that the art of shooting someone down was boom and zoom. However, Geoffrey Wellum say's in his book time and time again he was able to avoid being shot down because he could out manouever Bf 109's. One time after being bounced he out flew the 109 in a tight turn holding the spit on the edge of a stall. The 109 was 30ft behind on his tail and couldn't keep the turn going. Wellum said 'I could distinctly see the 109 flick out several times before the pilot had to relax his turn (to avoid a stall) by then I had gained some height and would soon be more behind then if front of him'

 

He was actually out of ammo at the time of the engagement, but his Spitfire's ability to out turn the 109 allowed him to escape as indeed it did on many occasions. This turning ability also allowed him to 'latch on' to aircraft that may have moved across his path or turn under an aircraft that was attacking from above.

[pcalvert]

2. The late war Spitfire models were actually energy fighter more than turn fighters, and depended on speed rather than manoeuvrability, there were some clipped wing versions made to reduce air drag at the cost of manoeuvrability at slow speeds

 

Untrue, The wings were clipped to aid role rate. :)

[mmaruda]

Yes, at high speeds, I was mentioning low speeds ;)

[pcalvert]

Well it looks like A2A's next accusim will be the P51D. Maybe two good pilots can go head to head and see who can get into position for the 'kill' lol... Will be even better when they accusim the Bf 109 E!! :))

[pcalvert]

More Spitfire Mk 1a

 

Took a few more shots today... REX Overdrive really makes a difference. You can put layer upon layer of clouds, looks really cool. I haven't tried the DCS Mustang but I've seen films (and of the real one) and the one thing I really notice between the DCS and A2A models is the sound and vibration from the engine. A2A's version of the Merlin is incredable. I've never heard anything like it in a sim before. Don't get me wrong I love DCS A10C... but I think A2A's warbird accusims probably top the DCS P51D sim. :)

[andysim]

I am totaly in love with the sounds made by the A2A P-40. Its so amazing how they made it so seemless and that supercharger whine is to die for hehe. Looking forward to the P-51 though.