rolling and pitching violently for no reason

[Soulres]

<ReSolved> Due to the TailWheel being unlocked,

To fix this issue,pull the flight stick back,passed CenterPoint,and

Leave it there until your ready to get off the ground (100mph),

push it forword to bring the tail up.

 

plane with 0 wind even in the training session, just rolls pitches and turns, always Left,and its not with the flight stick,its just the plane wants to go there,im using just a keyboard,and pretty much mastered the A10c and Su25t after 20+ deaths during the take off training mission i tried for myself with 0 wind speed, and the plane does the same,any fixes for this? cause flying is near imposiable, and trim just makes it worse.the plane doesnt go straight,its like im flying in a paper airplane.

Edited September 12, 2012 by Soulres

[159th_Viper]

Track?

 

Do not use rudder trim. If you have to, set to 2.5 degrees right.

[Soulres]

Track?

 

Do not use rudder trim. If you have to, set to 2.5 degrees right.

 

ill go do one now, the Training session will say * Do 5-6 Right * i do so and it goes straight, then starts pulling to the left, soon as i try to pull it down to about 3 or 2 it runs hard to the right , then the left again.

[159th_Viper]

Aye - ignore the 5 degree input for now - it's bugged. Best set to 2.5 degrees right.

[Soulres]

Aye - ignore the 5 degree input for now - it's bugged. Best set to 2.5 degrees right.

even at 0 the plane still swerves like the rudder is flapping around

quickie.trk

[159th_Viper]

Hang tight - I'll have a look.

[Grizzly1606688174]

When hearing real life pilots talk about how the Mustang flies, it sounds like what you are experiencing. If you take the hands off the controller for two seconds, the plane is not pointing where you want it to. So alot of micro-adjustment is needed to keep the mustang in a fine flight line, which is very hard with a keyboard I would guess.

 

"Its not a stable airplane and youre on it every second"

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLE43D4EF96A51BD65&v=Wd5cg77mA48&feature=player_detailpage#t=806s

Edited September 12, 2012 by <Grizzly>

[159th_Viper]

even at 0 the plane still swerves like the rudder is flapping around

 

Ok then......I had a looksee.

 

Be gentle - treat her like you would your missus after coming home tickled and forgetting her anniversary. In other words, try that again, but this time SLOWLY advance the throttle to 42" MP and keep it there - no to'ing and fro'ing the throttle.......Advance it slowly to 42, keep her aligned with rudder and wait for the plane to fly itself off the RW in a three-point attitude: Forget about lifting the tail for now - it will lift itself when ready.

 

Try that and see - I'll post a track if you so wish - let me know.

[Soulres]

Ok then......I had a looksee.

 

Be gentle - treat her like you would your missus after coming home tickled and forgetting her anniversary. In other words, try that again, but this time SLOWLY advance the throttle to 42" MP and keep it there - no to'ing and fro'ing the throttle.......Advance it slowly to 42, keep her aligned with rudder and wait for the plane to fly itself off the RW in a three-point attitude: Forget about lifting the tail for now - it will lift itself when ready.

 

Try that and see - I'll post a track if you so wish - let me know.

i have Auto Rudder - OFF and i have 0% take off help. so, there was this install question something about advanced flight dynamics, this plane is just very hard to control, i cant stop to do anythign with it,its like flying in a hurricane,minus the wind! its like flying with a loose Rudder and stalling at the same time, in the air its worse. i dont see anyone else having these issues...

Edited September 12, 2012 by Soulres

[159th_Viper]

i have Auto Rudder - OFF and i have 0% take off help....

 

That is good - as it should be.

 

....this plane is just very hard to control, i cant stop to do anythign with it,its like flying in a hurricane,minus the wind!

 

No it's not - you just need to do what I told you and get a feel for the plane. Your throttle inputs were way over-the-top, causing the very behaviour you are complaining about. Have you tried a take-off as I recommended?

 

....i dont see anyone else having these issues...

 

Trust me we all did (well I certainly did at first). Take it one step at a time: Master the take-off first and then worry about the air. Are you rudders at linear or have you fine-tuned them? Do you have pedals?

Edited September 12, 2012 by 159th_Viper

[Soulres]

Are you rudders at linear or have you fine-tuned them? Do you have pedals?

 

all keyboard,but with the Su25t and with my friends A10c i can fly with ease in the worst of weather.

[cichlidfan]

all keyboard,but with the Su25t and with my friends A10c i can fly with ease in the worst of weather.

 

Completely different era, and aircraft. The P-51 is going to be nearly impossible without good rudder control.

[Soulres]

Completely different era, and aircraft. The P-51 is going to be nearly impossible without good rudder control.

in real life, diffrent era,but its not even the rudder control, i poped in my xbox360 controller to use the trigger's as rudders, the plane still dips and swerves, the problem is well,just not with the controller.

[mnrty]

The P-51 is going to be nearly impossible without good rudder control.

That is so true. ive been flying A-10/KA-50 for well over a year now, and managed to fly both without rudder peddals, but when P-51 was released i had to throw in the towel and get me some. Just no light at the end of the tunnel without it if you ask me.

[Soulres]

That is so true. ive been flying A-10/KA-50 for well over a year now, and managed to fly both without rudder peddals, but when P-51 was released i had to throw in the towel and get me some. Just no light at the end of the tunnel without it if you ask me.

just dont understand it,the plane is flying like a cheap RC plane,its not just the rudder, its the pitch too, its all over th e place,if i had rudder pedals,ide be tap dancing.

[cichlidfan]

in real life, diffrent era,but its not even the rudder control, i poped in my xbox360 controller to use the trigger's as rudders, the plane still dips and swerves, the problem is well,just not with the controller.

 

Does it see the triggers as an axis? If not then you just changed the shape of your keyboard. If so, then what kind of curves are you using?

 

Curves for pitch and roll?

Edited September 12, 2012 by cichlidfan

[Grizzly1606688174]

just dont understand it,the plane is flying like a cheap RC plane,its not just the rudder, its the pitch too, its all over th e place,if i had rudder pedals,ide be tap dancing.

 

 

Either there is something wrong with your control settings, or you completely skipped my first message telling you that the P-51 is all over the place and totally unstable, in real life. :)

 

Its a ww2 plane. Its not gonna fly straight, so unless you are experiencing some extreme wierd behavior I'd say what you are describing is a realistic feature for a realistic plane. If you think its unrealistic or does it in some extreme manner I think you need to upload a track file or a youtube video showing how it does to explain it better. Then we can tell if its a feature or a bug :)

Edited September 12, 2012 by <Grizzly>

[Stuntie]

...im using just a keyboard....

A keyboard for all controls, or just the rudder?

 

If all then I would recommend getting a joystick - even a cheap basic one. it will make the world of diference.

 

If just the rudder then try with rudder asssit and take-off asssitance in the Options > Special > P-51 section.

That may help to smooth things out

 

The P-51 is a totally diferent beast to the jets. Masses of torque etc. twisting the plane around, coupled with a hands on flying approach. Even trimmed it requires constant attention. The jets have no appreciable torque, and flight stability systems so are much more easy to fly straight and level.

 

Just be glad it is not the Sopwith camel - that was an unstable beast that killed almost as many pilots flying it as it shot down enemy planes.

[Soulres]

[quote=Mugaben;1550 m

Its not gonna fly straight, so unless you are experiencing some extreme wierd behavior I'd say what you are describing is a realistic feature for a realistic plane. If you think its unrealistic or does it in some extreme manner I think you need to upload a track file or a youtube video showing how it does to explain it better. Then we can tell if its a feature or a bug

i uploaded a very short track of the plane just vearing over far left then flipping in 0 wind and 0 rudder,the rudder helps, so does the trim,but it also adds more math to the problem, iave a xbox controller now, thats making it a tad easier on the rudder,but its still like the RC P51 i have that i got for 50$ flying on a windy day, if this is their interpretation of a real flight of a p51d, ide suggest trying to sit in one and fly it one day,

[Soulres]

Does it see the triggers as an axis? If not then you just changed the shape of your keyboard. If so, then what kind of curves are you using?

 

Curves for pitch and roll?

 

YES! i just found it, Triggers are Z Axis, the plane flies just as good as my rc tho,this plane is acting like im flying in a hurricane

[cichlidfan]

i uploaded a very short track of the plane just vearing over far left then flipping in 0 wind and 0 rudder,the rudder helps, so does the trim,but it also adds more math to the problem, iave a xbox controller now, thats making it a tad easier on the rudder,but its still like the RC P51 i have that i got for 50$ flying on a windy day, if this is their interpretation of a real flight of a p51d, ide suggest trying to sit in one and fly it one day,

 

Are you aware that one of the producers has flown and has full access to a P-51? You need to listen to what you are being told about the handling of this aircraft.

[Nate--IRL--]

Are you aware that one of the producers has flown and has full access to a P-51? You need to listen to what you are being told about the handling of this aircraft.

 

Not quite correct, the EDs parent company owns and flies a P-51, among many other Warbirds.

 

Nate

[159th_Viper]

There is also a good reason why the real plane is piloted by using a Flightstick, Throttle and Rudder Pedals vs a Keyboard and XBox controller: You cannot adequately use said keyboard and XBox controller to do what needs done. That is the ONLY reason why I can take off without any problems and why you cannot.

 

Try as you might, you are not going to drive a nail into a 2x4 with a banana........trust me, give it up.

[Pyroflash]

Try as you might, you are not going to drive a nail into a 2x4 with a banana........trust me, give it up.

 

Well, this is not entirely true.

 

1. Put the Banana into a deep freezer.

 

2. Soak the 2x4 in a pool of warm water for three weeks.

 

3. Drive nail into soggy, modly, barnacle ridden 2x4, using frozen banana.

 

4. Bang yourself on the head with the banana whilst attempting to eat the nail-infused 2x4. You should have eaten the banana for breakfast whilst driving to the hardware store in search of a hammer.:doh:

 

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In all seriousness though, I convinced my friend to fly DCS with me using his Xbox controller, so it IS possible. Though he also caved in and bought an X-52 two months later :D

[Soulres]

There is also a good reason why the real plane is piloted by using a Flightstick, Throttle and Rudder Pedals vs a Keyboard and XBox controller: You cannot adequately use said keyboard and XBox controller to do what needs done. That is the ONLY reason why I can take off without any problems and why you cannot.

 

Try as you might, you are not going to drive a nail into a 2x4 with a banana........trust me, give it up.

 

wrong, Rudder Peddles ( R and L ) Flight Stick (right stick) Left Brake (LB) right brake ) Rb ) keyboard, only for use for throttle and quick buttons, everything else i know where it is in the cockpit. its why i like DCS, i dont have to remember button combos.i can fly the A10C at my friends with just a xbox controller with just flight controls built in, everything else i know where is by hand and i fly that in the worst of weather with 0 visibility.

Are you aware that one of the producers has flown and has full access to a P-51? You need to listen to what you are being told about the handling of this aircraft.

and im telling you its wrong, the aircraft is all over the place with no wind ZERO i ahvent even attempted with wind yet,im slowly tweaking the sensitivity of the joystick JUST FOR the P51, the SU25 and the A10 fly FLAWLESSLY, this plane is just flying like a cheap foam plane,ive never once seen it do this at shows or on youtube wobbling like a RC plane.

 

(uploaded a track!) there is ZERO, let me say again ZERO WIND, and this plane is acting like im flying in a blizzard. ignore the landing (it was my second attempt at landing)

New Track.trk

Edited September 12, 2012 by Soulres