rolling and pitching violently for no reason

[Stuntie]

Hi Soulres,

 

Only had the DCS P-51 a couple of days, so still getting used to the handling. But I can say without a shadow of a doubt that she is a lot lot lot more difficult than the A-10 or any of the other jets.

The A-10 is largely point and go no fuss whatsoever. A few minor adjustments as she starts the roll, but straight on after that.

 

With the P-51 she want's to roll and swerve due to that dirty great big prop.

You have to keep on top of it with small subtle movements to counteract tendancies before they take hold and run wild. Bring the control position box up and comapre the small but constant movements to yours.

On your track you are slamming the rudder left and right and once it catches the wrong moment you exacerbate rather than calm the situation and swerve off. Though it looks worse from the cockpit than it does from outside.

 

Remember that P-51 pilots had done 50+ hours in various taildragging trainers of ever increasing power - stearman and T6 etc., before they even stepped in a cockpit. So had become accustomed to the swerve on take-off and how to counteract it. the P-51 was just more powerful and thus more swervy than what they had already flown. This is real power - that of an RC airplane pales in comparison even if scaled up. An RC is more akin to the Tiger moth or other trainer in it's stabiltiy comapred to a beast like the Mustang. You really do need to tame it to ride it.

 

Track 1: take off in and P-51.

p-51_to_2.trk

A messy swervy take-off (hey, i'm learning!) and an even messier landing (floating in too high due to clearing the trees and bounce baby bounce!).

 

P.s. Watch for the bus as I cross the threshold. Daft place for a bus lane!

[Grizzly1606688174]

Funny thing.

You are the only one complaining about it, and still thinks that the producers made it wrong.

 

Are you just ignoring everything people are telling you? :) Real life pilots say that this plane is one of the hardest things to fly. It IS wobbeling like crazy and it DOESNT want to fly straight.

 

A small tip:

Before you complain about it and start to tell people that they need to try to fly it in real life, do a little research on how the plane is build and how it flies, and also what its purpose was. Completely different thing than the Su-25T and A-10c that you are compairing it to. :)

 

But hey, maybe its your foam RC plane that flies like the p-51 mustang. ;)

 

/Out

Edited September 12, 2012 by <Grizzly>

[Nate--IRL--]

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and im telling you its wrong, the aircraft is all over the place with no wind ZERO

 

This is correct, the aircraft reacts very differently with minor changes in speed, attitude, RPM, Propeller pitch etc etc. There are so many forces, in so many directions, at play at the same time, it isn't funny. Once trimmed for a certain flying condition it flies hands off, if any single parameter changes (ie speed by 5mph), you'll need to re trim or similarly adjust controls.

 

Also use the CTRL-ENTER indicator to check that you are not over controlling.

 

Nate

[cichlidfan]

After reading some other posts and threads by the OP, I can see that this is a futile discussion.

 

Later.

[159th_Viper]

wrong, Rudder Peddles ( R and L ) Flight Stick (right stick) Left Brake (LB) right brake ) Rb ) keyboard, only for use for throttle and quick buttons, everything else i know where it is in the cockpit....

 

You misunderstand me. I am telling you that your keyboard and XBox controller are not accurate enough to provide the inputs necessary to fly the Mustang. Forget about the A10 or whatever else you fly - I am telling you that your tools are inferior for the job you are attempting. I am not saying that it cannot be done without practice. If you however want to master the P51 with what you got then you'd best start practicing because it's going to take you a long, long time.

 

At present and having a look at your track, the SIM is doing exactly what your XBox controller is telling it to do: Nothing more and nothing less.

Edited September 12, 2012 by 159th_Viper

[Soulres]

first off the little red box to watch your control postions ctrl-enter i belive, is always up,i do over react, but from learning, if i dont push harder,itll go off into the grass or itll whip around, as of now,ive only gotten that far by doing what im doing, i either under correct or over correct and respond quickly.that is it. theirs no middle man here.it actully is acting like there is a crosswind blowing from the left, cause it always leans and turns that way...hmm..

Funny thing.

But hey, maybe its your foam RC plane that flies like the p-51 mustang. ;)

if that is the case, DCS has done a terrible job compared to more repeatable A2A and FSX P51D's. A2A did for sure get their hands on a P51D, they even showed a video of it, im sure DCS just looked at some pictures and their producers added some spice. but hey im sure 2 company's worth more can be wrong at the same time ;)

 

At present and having a look at your track, the SIM is doing exactly what your XBox controller is telling it to do: Nothing more and nothing less.

so thats why the plane flies like theirs a 40mph wind speed when there is none hm? even in the air the plane bends to the left.

Edited September 12, 2012 by Soulres

[PeterP]

Soulres,

 

Please switch of the SAS and hydraulics in the A-10 and than try to fly it with your X-Box controller...

 

 

To keep it short:

Even if you have all controls mapped on the X-Box controller,

you cant expect to fly the P-51 with a stick that has only a movement of 1 square centimetres for all directions at the top with the same precision as with a casual flight-stick.

 

Just because it is possible in the A-10 (and the A2A P51D is a whole different story) ,

you can't expect the same from a Prop plane that has a enormous propeller torque and highly depends on small ruder adjustments all the time to counteract it.

 

 

Before you ditch the P-51 and think about trying the Ka-50... - get first a flightstick - or you will open a similar thread again.

Edited September 12, 2012 by PeterP

[Stuntie]

Just watched you new track.

You almost have it.

Which is impressive with an XBox controller. As good as I did with a fancy joystick.

 

All you need to do is pull back a bit on the stick at the start of the take-off run to lock tailwheel steering, and to do the same on landing. This will help limit the swerving and help prevent the ground loop on landing.

[Soulres]

Before you ditch the P-51 and think about trying the Ka-50... - get first a flightstick - or you will open a similar thread again.

flown FSX for afew years, on jus a xbox control, max everything even got some payware, flies flawlessly, A10,Su25, flies pretty good, but with the P51, its not even the controls, its the way the plane reacts to invisible wind, i suggest you read before you speak, that way you dont look stupid :megalol:

 

Just watched you new track.

You almost have it.

Which is impressive with an XBox controller. As good as I did with a fancy joystick.

 

All you need to do is pull back a bit on the stick at the start of the take-off run to lock tailwheel steering, and to do the same on landing. This will help limit the swerving and help prevent the ground loop on landing.

the tailwheel doesnt lock at dead center? :sidenote - thank you for being the one of the 2 people who had constructive advice :)

[Nate--IRL--]

A2A did for sure get their hands on a P51D, they even showed a video of it, im sure DCS just looked at some pictures and their producers added some spice. but hey im sure 2 company's worth more can be wrong at the same time ;)

.

 

TFC\ED\DCS own a P-51 and fly it.

 

Nate

[cichlidfan]

i suggest you read before you speak, that way you dont look stupid :megalol:

 

[PeterP]

i suggest you read before you speak, that way you dont look stupid

 

Soulres,

I see only one that looks stupid - all other posters are just trying to help you.

[Soulres]

TFC\ED\DCS own a P-51 and fly it.Nate

ill belive it when i see it, please EDTester, dont post unless you have somthing to help the situation otherwise your filling my thread with a useless post and reply thank you.

Mark

Stupid comments will be addressed not judged

Soulres,

I see only one that looks stupid - all other posters are just trying to help you.

saying their is nothing wrong with the plane,just the fact im using a controller joystock is the issue, thats their arguments.

i had one user address somthing to do with the TailWheel causing the Swerving, i dont belive anyone else meantioned that.

Edited September 12, 2012 by Soulres

[cichlidfan]

:music_whistling::doh:

[Soulres]

:music_whistling::doh:

go find somewhere else to be troll :thumbup: meanwhile im gona test out Stunties Advice, i suggest you take how to responde to threads like him or her

Just watched you new track.

You almost have it.

Which is impressive with an XBox controller. As good as I did with a fancy joystick.

 

All you need to do is pull back a bit on the stick at the start of the take-off run to lock tailwheel steering, and to do the same on landing. This will help limit the swerving and help prevent the ground loop on landing.

Edited September 12, 2012 by Soulres
had to put this in there to help better you

[159th_Viper]

ill belive it when i see it, please EDTester, dont post unless you have somthing to help the situation otherwise your filling my thread with a useless post and reply thank you.

Mark

 

OK - I'll give you one last chance: Knowing that the SIM is fine and that your controller limitations and lack of practice leading are to your issues experienced, is there anything else that needs clarifying?

[PeterP]

saying their is nothing wrong with the plane,just the fact im using a controller joystock is the issue, thats their arguments.

 

And they are right.

 

I tried it also with a game-pad.

I'm also not able to fly the P-51 as I'm used to do.

[Soulres]

OK - I'll give you one last chance: Knowing that the SIM is fine and that your controller limitations and lack of practice leading are to your issues experienced, is there anything else that needs clarifying?

yeup, tailwheel locking postion, Neutral,forwords or backwords. another memberdidnt troll my thread and gave constructive advice, Stuntie.

And they are right.

 

I tried it also with a game-pad.

I'm also not able to fly the P-51 as I'm used to do.

and im sure i oculdnt fly with your flight stick.my joystick is setup for 1 hand,i have it nailed perfectly and fly everything with it, ya cnat throw a Hellcat pilot into a P51 and expect them to start and fly it! :pilotfly:

[159th_Viper]

yeup, tailwheel locking postion, Neutral,forwords or backwords. another memberdidnt troll my thread and gave constructive advice, Stuntie.

 

Tailwheel unlocked forward of neutral. With that advice, see if that influences your take-off for the better, keeping in mind that a runway start spawns with the tailwheel already locked. With the first track you posted your tail-wheel was locked in any event and thus any advice regarding said tailwheel is largely irrelevant for your queries regarding take-off.

Edited September 12, 2012 by 159th_Viper

[Soulres]

Tailwheel unlocked forward of neutral. With that advice, see if that influences your take-off for the better, keeping in mind that a runway start spawns with the tailwheel already locked.

So having it Neutral keeps it locked? Runway start or any start,always gotta test to see if everything is responding Elevators,Alelierons,Flaps,Rudder. my stick is always Center,so does that mean the tailwheel is locked?then again if that is true, my track also shows when the plane over corrects and tilts, i pull the joystick to pull it back down,unlocking the wheel,when the wheel is unlocked how does it RELOCK?

[Nate--IRL--]

A2A did for sure get their hands on a P51D, they even showed a video of it, im sure DCS just looked at some pictures and their producers added some spice. but hey im sure 2 company's worth more can be wrong at the same time ;)

.

 

ill belive it when i see it, please EDTester, dont post unless you have somthing to help the situation otherwise your filling my thread with a useless post and reply thank you.

Mark

 

I sincerely apologise for responding to a point made by you with information you may not have known about.

 

Nate

[Soulres]

I sincerely apologise for responding to a point made by you with information you may not have known about.

 

Nate

i guess so.. but then again,that doesnt answer my question about the tail locking. :( i gotta airshow too, http://www.airventure.org/

so instead of bashing heads in,perhaps you could try and help me with the game,instead of trying to one up me?

[url=http://www.airventure.org/][/url]

[159th_Viper]

So having it Neutral keeps it locked?

 

Yes

 

 

i pull the joystick to pull it back down,unlocking the wheel,when the wheel is unlocked how does it RELOCK?

 

Pulling the Flightstick down locks the tailwheel, should you have unlocked it previously.

[Soulres]

Pulling the Flightstick down locks the tailwheel, should you have unlocked it previously.

then that explains it. My controller keeps the flight stick centerd at ALL times.so the irradic flying im saying happening is the result of the tailwheel being UNLOCKED,bam ='s that. it took 5 pages to get somthing like that figured out. *facepalm*:lol:

Edited September 12, 2012 by Soulres

[159th_Viper]

then that explains it. My controller keeps the flight stick centerd at ALL times.so the irradic flying im saying happening is the result of the tailwheel being UNLOCKED,bam ='s that. it took 5 pages to get somthing like that figured out. *facepalm*:lol:

 

No - did you not read what I said? Your tailwheel is locked when you are attempting to take off. You never unlocked the tailwheel with the first track. In any event, try it: Spawn in on a runway start, leave your elevators alone, attempt a takeoff and post the track - I am interested to witness the results.

Edited September 12, 2012 by 159th_Viper