Stealthbird97 Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Someone needs to increase the responsiveness(or logic) of the Boom operator. I'm still quite new to A2A refuelling but still whenever I do it and actually get close enough to connect the Boom operator is extremely slow to respond. I mean, I'm in a place where the operator could easily just move the boom and connect but it doesn't It just lingers around in-front of me. and then there are other times where it tries to connect but then I go just a bit too far forward and the boom does right through the plane and then I have to pull back, to which I'm out of position and then the boom again doesn't respond. Is there a fix or something because its just ridiculous. Also I'm pretty sure that there should be coloured lights on the bottom of the tankers so you know how much further you need to be to be in the perfect position for refuelling. On the KC-135 its just a line of white lights.
Chippy Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 I completely agree, I often get mad at the boom operator for being so dumb. :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
sobek Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Sorry if that sounds harsh on you, but practice is the way to go. Air refueling is a pretty hard thing to attempt in aviation and while the boom operator logic is not anywhere near perfect, it gets its job done if you can do yours (that is, stay steady inside the box). The most important thing is to not focus on the boom, instead focus on the tanker and build a mental image for reference (e.g. where are his wingroots, engines, etc in reference to objects in your pit when you are in the center of the refueling box). Practice does make perfect. If you need more pointers, please use the search function, there are several threads around here that cointain mainly good advice. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
BigfootMSR Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 One thing that you need to make sure you are doing when you are connecting and disconnecting is resetting the fuel funnel by pressing the pink switch(same as nose wheel steering button) on your HOTAS. DCS: A10C Warthog JTAC coordinate entry training mission http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/99424/ DCS: Blackshark 2 interactive training missions http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=84612
Tailgate Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 The Tanker lights have no effect for the A-10, you need to keep the barber pole on the boom in the green and fly the Tanker "picture". As was mentioned there are several threads on this topic.
James Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 Boom operator is hopeless but it builds... "Character"
Amarok_73 Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 If You wish to learn air refueling quickly, just find some good Virtual Squad that don't hesitate do fly BOREX, and learn with them in flying close formation. After 20-30 hours of such training, You'll refuel from tanker easily. Natural Born Kamikaze ------------------------- AMD Ryzen 5 3600, AMD Fatal1ty B450 Gaming K4, AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT, 32 GB RAM Corsair Vengeance LPX, PSU Modecom Volcano 750W, Virpil Constellation Alpha Prime on Moza AB9 base, Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle, Turtle Beach VelocityOne Rudder.
Tailgate Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 The boom operator seems pretty good, he'll hit the bullseye every time if I'm in position, it's when I'm out of position that he'll start chasing the plane and wildly jabbing, but that's my fault.
sobek Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 ^^^^ Exactly, i've yet to see a failure to connect in DCS that was not caused by the pilot not being in the correct spot or not being steady. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
Stealthbird97 Posted September 19, 2012 Author Posted September 19, 2012 Well I've played around with the Axis Curves and I'm better but do you think i'd get better results using a HOTAS? Surly it would;d be easier because they tend to have higher sensitivities and more range of movement. Most of my problem is the throttle. 1kt of closure is still just too much and my altitude wavers too much even with minuscule pitch changes.
Tailgate Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 You definitely need a high resolution throttle, most important is to stay level, use trim to maintain level flight at a given speed, as you've noted any slight changes in pitch will change your speed.
Wolf Rider Posted September 20, 2012 Posted September 20, 2012 walking the throttles will put you on the knot City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar"
Chris1012 Posted September 21, 2012 Posted September 21, 2012 I had this problem, a previous poster mentioned it, every disconnect you must reset it using insert key or boom operator will not aim the boom. It will hang limp like... Nevermind... Up in the right hand side of the HUD if you see disconnect it is this 'issue' Other than that, patience, practice and calm is the way to go. Same as the ready pre contact bit, get in position, keep steady and wait and eventually it will respond without you needing to rush and shift position... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Why yes, I did just crash...
WildBillKelsoe Posted October 15, 2012 Posted October 15, 2012 question is, why does he turn when the boom starts finding me?? :thumbup: AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
wess24m Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 The biggest "night and day" difference for me was watching the tanker vs the boom as others have referenced. Went from connecting for 2 sec's to staying on for a couple thousand gallons at a time.
Profet Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 I agree with Sobek, the operator does a good job provided you are in the correct position. The problem I have is that I never get a "refueling complete" message, just a disconnect when Im full. If I try to reconnect, a couple of seconds after "your taking fuel" I get a "disconnect" but the boom stays connected, just no more fuel comes in. Is that how its supposed to be? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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