Any new info?!

[Chris CDN]

:book: That means tomorrow. definitely tomorrow.

 

That's exactly how I read that too.

[Ham Sandwich]

I'm not trying to start an argument, but I'd like to know by what logic commenters feel they are entitled to be indignant towards a developer over a product they have not yet bought.

 

These devs don't owe you anything. All they've done is announce that they're going to offer a Huey module. That entitles you to nothing. You're not being "screwed" in any way, yet that's how many people seem to be choosing to interpret these delays.

 

There's a vocal minority acting like spoiled children in these discussions. I'd hate for the devs to think they represent the rest of us who are just excited.

 

If it's not ready for release, it's not ready for release.

[RedRain]

Chill out guys. You get a LOT more info from ED team than you get from any other game dev firm. They are way more present in the forums and share a lot... maybe too much, judging by your posts.

 

It takes time to build quality products and get them out the door. Did you forget the release of 1.2.3? They did a preliminary changelog and then it took another several weeks before release. They are hunting down bugs and killing stuff and no doubt are acutely aware of the problems they are experiencing in patch releases.

 

In the end... any additional release is fun and goodness. We all have access to a wonderful and amazing Sim right now. Go fly it around and enjoy it.

 

Just chill out and quit agitating and threatening the people who are creating this new, awesome stuff for you. It'll be released when it's released. Don't you have anything else to do... like go start your own 3rd party and build stuff... see if you hit all your release targets and get your messaging just right.

 

 

Sorry for the aggro, just annoyed by the "tudes"... (note: forgive me if I'm misreading / misinterpreting your posts)

 

Do these guys recieve money or perks from ED for writing this defensive stuff or are they simply shareholders ? I'm supposed to have moved on, guess its just old habit after 5 months. Well, I have moved on, downloading X Plane as I type, sorry Belsimtek, perhaps in the future ? I'm here for the flying, ED's here for my money. Simply, I need something refreshing and they're not providing it. I provide this feedback with good intentions, ED need both positive and negative feedback to prosper, otherwise they continue down the same track to doom, and nobody wants this. The community provides ED continuous feedback through this forum, just think they could do much better in return ?

[rabid_monkey]

I'm not trying to start an argument, but I'd like to know by what logic commenters feel they are entitled to be indignant towards a developer over a product they have not yet bought.

 

These devs don't owe you anything. All they've done is announce that they're going to offer a Huey module. That entitles you to nothing. You're not being "screwed" in any way, yet that's how many people seem to be choosing to interpret these delays.

 

There's a vocal minority acting like spoiled children in these discussions. I'd hate for the devs to think they represent the rest of us who are just excited.

 

If it's not ready for release, it's not ready for release.

 

+1

[rabid_monkey]

Do these guys recieve money or perks from ED for writing this defensive stuff or are they simply shareholders ? I'm supposed to have moved on, guess its just old habit after 5 months. Well, I have moved on, downloading X Plane as I type, sorry Belsimtek, perhaps in the future ? I'm here for the flying, ED's here for my money. Simply, I need something refreshing and they're not providing it. I provide this feedback with good intentions, ED need both positive and negative feedback to prosper, otherwise they continue down the same track to doom, and nobody wants this. The community provides ED continuous feedback through this forum, just think they could do much better in return ?

 

Where is X-Plane available as a digital download? I can't find it anywhere.

[Ham Sandwich]

Do these guys recieve money or perks from ED for writing this defensive stuff or are they simply shareholders ? I'm supposed to have moved on, guess its just old habit after 5 months. Well, I have moved on, downloading X Plane as I type, sorry Belsimtek, perhaps in the future ? I'm here for the flying, ED's here for my money. Simply, I need something refreshing and they're not providing it. I provide this feedback with good intentions, ED need both positive and negative feedback to prosper, otherwise they continue down the same track to doom, and nobody wants this. The community provides ED continuous feedback through this forum, just think they could do much better in return ?

 

Exactly how do you feel you have been wronged by Belsimtek?

 

[Edit] ...and I don't think whining on the part of impatient prosepctive customers constitutes constructive feedback. That's just whining becuase you want it now as opposed to when it's ready. Exactly what do you expect a developer to do with that type of feedback?

Edited April 24, 2013 by Ham Sandwich

[Ham Sandwich]

Where is X-Plane available as a digital download? I can't find it anywhere.

 

It isn't. He's lying. You need either the DVDs or a dongle to play XP10.

[cichlidfan]

It isn't. He's lying. You need either the DVDs or a dongle to play XP10.

 

There is a downloadable demo, though I think it is very limited.

[Ham Sandwich]

There is a downloadable demo, though I think it is very limited.

 

The inference i took from his post is that he's taken his money elsewhere (as if to make the Belsimtek guys feel regretful that they haven't released it yet). Pure bullying. This attitude belongs on a CoD forum, not here.

[RedRain]

It isn't. He's lying. You need either the DVDs or a dongle to play XP10.

 

Typo, installing, don't take kindly to be called a lyer :mad:

[tusler]

Where is X-Plane available as a digital download? I can't find it anywhere.

 

Torrent:mad:

[RedRain]

Exactly how do you feel you have been wronged by Belsimtek?

 

[Edit] ...and I don't think whining on the part of impatient prosepctive customers constitutes constructive feedback. That's just whining becuase you want it now as opposed to when it's ready. Exactly what do you expect a developer to do with that type of feedback?

 

I have been misinformed over the past many months to believe that this module was just around the corner, I have held off and held off. Due to this, for the time being, Belsimtek have missed out on my business. If it was my business, I would be unhappy to hear this, though on a positive note, I would have learned something ?

[Raven68]

I am sorry that our plans keep slipping, but that's the reality we are working with.

 

I'm sure the wait has been as painful for you guys at Belsimtek as it has been for us. Some can exercise more patience than others, but we are all eager and know that those that seem more negative will be as eager to download once released. :)

 

BTW thank you for all the content that you have posted for us to view while we wait. I know I really appreciate it. :thumbup:

[Ham Sandwich]

Typo, installing, don't take kindly to be called a lyer :mad:

 

Well you understand that you're being totally offside towards the Belsimtek guys, right?

[Raven68]

I have been misinformed over the past many months to believe that this module was just around the corner, I have held off and held off. Due to this, for the time being, Belsimtek have missed out on my business. If it was my business, I would be unhappy to hear this, though on a positive note, I would have learned something ?

 

RedRain, 1.2.4 is currently the hold up at the moment, not Belsimtek. Have you seen the change log? There is lots to look forward to in this release along with the UH-1. FC3 is going final as well along with other features. This deserves a fine tooth comb for quality to sort out the bugs. It's coming buddy. Just hang in there.

[Pizzicato]

Typo, installing, don't take kindly to be called a lyer :mad:

 

Accidentally typing "downloading" when you meant to type "installing" is the most impressively literate typo since a monkey accidentally typed out the entire works of Shakespeare. :lol:

[RedRain]

Well you understand that you're being totally offside towards the Belsimtek guys, right?[/quote

 

I feel sorry for Belsimtek, hope all third party devs don't have to wait six months for a patch, so they can release there product ?

[Ham Sandwich]

I have been misinformed over the past many months to believe that this module was just around the corner, I have held off and held off. Due to this, for the time being, Belsimtek have missed out on my business. If it was my business, I would be unhappy to hear this, though on a positive note, I would have learned something ?

 

The problem is, you're acting like this is a customer/vendor relationship, and that you're being ripped off or something. You are not their customer. You have nothing invested, no stake, and nothing to lose here. A 3rd party developer "getting your hopes up" is not ground for indigence. They're just a bunch of guys trying to release a module, and they're encountering difficulties. They don't owe you anything, and as such you have no grounds to be a jerk towards them over these delays. Especially not when they're duly communicating with you when they see more delays.

 

As well, why are you giving them a hard time over the delays? They have a much larger stake in this than any prospective buyer. Releasing this product is how these guy plan to put food on their families' tables. Do you not think that if they could have released by now that they would have? What exactly are you criticizing? Are you suggesting they're withholding release for nefarious reasons? Or are you saying they're wrong not to release a product that's not yet ready for release? Or are you calling them incompetent for not having it [the most complex PC based helicopter sim to date] ready yet?

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm dying to play this module, and i feel the frustrastion too with each day that goes by, but at the same time, I recognize that my only investment in this is my own excitement to play, and as such, i have no authority to give someone grief over something i haven't yet paid for, especially when I know damn well they're doing thier best, and even if they weren't, i'd still be in no position to criticize them, because who the #@$& am I? I'm just some guy who wants to buy their product if/when they release it.

[VincentLaw]

Do these guys recieve money or perks from ED for writing this defensive stuff or are they simply shareholders ?

If by perks, you mean more transparency, then yes. It seems like every time they release info, they get attacked for it. They were not lying when they said they thought it would be out soon a while ago. It was not misinformation, but a best guess that was subject to change. Attacking ED or Belsimtek doesn't make their product come out sooner, it just means they won't tell you anything about it until it's released. Is that really what you want?

don't take kindly to be called a lyer :mad:

And yet you essentially called Belsimtek liars.

Edited April 24, 2013 by VincentLaw

[RedRain]

Accidentally typing "downloading" when you meant to type "installing" is the most impressively literate typo since a monkey accidentally typed out the entire works of Shakespeare. :lol:

 

So what are you trying to say ? 99 % of the content of my PC is DLC, downloading is second nature not DVD, we're not all totally computer literat you know ?

[Ham Sandwich]

So what are you trying to say ?

 

I'd actually like to redirect that question to you. What exactly are you trying to accuse Belsimtek of?

[Mt5_Roie]

 

I am sorry that our plans keep slipping, but that's the reality we are working with. If it's too much for you to handle, all the more reason to mind your posting attitude.

 

We are still in final testing. The release could happen any day, but I don't know on which day in particular it will happen.

 

EvilBivol - some people here will complain about anything. It's the internet world we live in. Don't pay them too much attention.

 

As you can see we have a lot of enthusiasm as well and are looking forward to flying the Huey. The videos you guys are putting out are great as is the manual.

 

The only problem I see with not having an exact date of release is that I can't call out ahead of time from work. I just have to work on my cough to sound convincing when it does finally arrive.

[RedRain]

Going round round in circles, no point in flogging a dead horse, I got helo's to fly.

[Ham Sandwich]

It seems like every time they release info, they get attacked for it.

 

(on my 5th beer)

 

Bingo.

 

Those of us who can see this situation for what it is realize there's no grounds for, nor use for hostile sentiment towards belsimtek over delays. They're doing their best.

 

What gets my goat is that people are acting like this is CoD, or BF3 or something.

 

This product isn't even released yet, and i've already had it's developers acknowledge and accept my (a nobody's) suggestions, and with their thanks no less.

 

The hardcore fightsim genre differs from other genres in that a community exists - there's a relationship between the devs and the players. Anyone who values the level of gameplay, the constant support, constant improvements with patches, should also value that relationship because that relationship at the core of why this genre is so good.

 

Making baselss accusations, attacking developers, and general hostility towards devs (especially when the issues causing said hostility aren't the devs fault) is undeniably harmful to that relationship, and by extension the genre.

 

Look, these guys are doing their best. If you doubt that, then articulate your accusation. What is it you think these guys are doing wrong? If you're truly right in your criticism, then the devs should have use for it, no? Or are you just voicing your frustration in a way that's intended to hurt those you think are responsible for your frustration?

 

And sorry RedRain, I don't mean to single you out, you're not the only one. But I just feel the need to stand up for these devs at this point. I can only imagine what it must be like to be in their shoes right now, not being able to release their product, not being able to generate income, and at the same time getting $#!# all over for it by the community.

[rabid_monkey]

It'll be here when it gets here. We will all be ecstatic when it's here but I'll give it three or four days and everyone will be griping again. That's how it goes in the flight sim community. If there is a missing rivet, someone will cry. Some of the people in various FSX forums are worse. You'd think they had a stake in the aircraft or something. Whining and crying won't make then push it out the door. We just have to wait and see and take it in stride. Things come up and delays happen. It's part of life. When the person comes along that can foresee all possible problems and give the solutions before they happen will be a very rich man; but until then, we have to wait. I don't really mind.... it'll be like Christmas morning when you load up the site and unexpectedly see "buy now" under the Huey. Until then enjoy your families, mow the lawn, go fishing, clean the house or take a vacation to take your mind off of it. I'm fairly certain the world won't end before we're flying our virtual Huey's; and if it does, it doesn't really matter then, does it?